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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zakael19" data-source="post: 9546703" data-attributes="member: 7044099">Typically, martial classes dont have sheet levers they can pull in accordance with the game’s rules to participate in a decent amount of gameplay without GM fiat. This can lead to a deeply inconsistent game experience. Combine that with spellcasrers often being able to solve problems that in classic fantasy a martial might do, and you’re left wondering when it’s time to go to combat and swing your axe again.4e used the skill challenge system to, for those that chose to engage with it, create space for martials to be awesome in fictional terms without being overshadowed by casters - in mechanisms the game rules supported (so no need to hope for a “nice dm”).A good example of the fictional space: the Dungeon World fighter’s “bend bars, lift gates.” That’s a great ability we expect a Conan etc swords and sorcery fighter to do. How often do you see martials given the space to solve problems in 5e?</blockquote>