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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6228563" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>At this point I guess should be used to the terrible poll questions, but the dragon ones are bad on a whole new level.</p><p></p><p>There is no option for multiple selections (half-dragon and kobold), to tell him that half-dragons =/= dragonborn or kobolds, or even kobolds =/= dragonborn. No options for "looks like a dragon" <strong><u>only</u></strong>, a la kobold. Too much "Yeah, you did a great job," or "No, I didn't like this <em>one </em>aspect" and no options for "No, I dislike the premise/<em>everything</em>". Wow. Just shocking how little I was prepared for that poll to suck.</p><p></p><p>For the record, I assume dragonborn will be in 5e. I don't really care what form they take, what their backstory is or any of that jazz. I hate them and don't plan on using them. That goes for draconians, spellscales, and dragonborn of Bahamut as well. Don't need or want a human-sized dragon-person (except as below) and certainly not one tied directly to a dragon or the dragon-gods.</p><p></p><p>Now, half-dragons - through various origins with the most likely being a papa dragon and mama human (alter race/genders as appropriate) - I have and do plan to continue using them. But I don't need any ties to clutches of eggs, special ritual garbage, blessings by gods or anything like that. I figure if dragons are rare, half-dragons should be extra rare as they are when a full dragon ends up doing something special to create one that is half. I don't like a race of half-dragons in this regard, and I think that is why a template works best. They are only half-dragon afterall, you need to have the dragon part modify the non-dragon part - that means template to me. And nothing he discusses about dragonborn, etc. does that for me. Not one bit. It just strikes me as FAR too one true wayism and doesn't make any sense for what I have come to love about half-dragons.</p><p></p><p>And for kobolds? What? I was going to poll half-dragon, but then I saw kobolds and I guess they are draconic but they aren't born of whatever either. How they came to be is anyone's guess - same goes for dwarves, elves, humans, and so on. They are kind of the opposite of half-dragons, a true race that breeds and create more of themselves. They aren't special when they exist, that is why they can be used as canon fodder lowbie monsters. Why was kobold on the poll? Was it to split the half-dragon vote (my best guess at the moment)? How are kobolds related at all? Should we include humans in the halfling poll now too? I mean it is just a different heighted pink skinned creature, just like kobolds are different heighted scaled-skinned creatures in the dragonborn poll.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As far as the aquatic one: Meh, nothing really stands out as great. Nothing exceptionally terrible either.</p><p></p><p>The assumptions about merfolk make sense - hard to forge or write when under water. But I wonder why the "unpredictable" part isn't applied to all humanoids, or at least all races of any type. I mean there is no reason I can see that all orcs, or elves or anyone would be monolithic except to the sheltered human observers. I think they need to try a little harder.</p><p></p><p>Merrow? Eh, I think they need their own non-ogre entry; but they need to do a description in a non-ogre way too. If merrow aren't ogres that is cool, don't sort them there. I think that they probably shouldn't be descend from ogres either maybe? (I don't know, haven't given it any thought before this article.) I personally find the marid description that was given to be pretty weak over all. Not a whole lot to work with - kind of like how the gnoll description, or was it Yeenoghu*, mentioned too much about Yeenoghu and not enough about gnolls themselves, and very little that is actually useful when encountering them. They're descended from hyenas/ogres, cool. So what does that mean when fighting them? Should we try to parlay and fix their genetic condition? Nah, probably not - they'd still be hyenas/ogres and eat us.</p><p></p><p>Kracken - Okay, I have a question. Was the part in there about "fresh, salt water and air" useful? What does it accomplish that outsider/immortal tag doesn't? I mean isn't that what it really is at this point? Also, not a huge fan of its over-intelligence and apparent warlordship but it isn't something that really factors in for me. I'm curious what shape the supernatural abilities will take - controlling storms and fish.</p><p></p><p></p><p>* And if it was the Yeenoghu description, and not the gnolls; then why was there so much about the gnolls that I think it was their description? Don't need to spend half of any monster description focusing on something else and only half on the thing you are talking about - that is poor design regardless of whose description it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6228563, member: 95493"] At this point I guess should be used to the terrible poll questions, but the dragon ones are bad on a whole new level. There is no option for multiple selections (half-dragon and kobold), to tell him that half-dragons =/= dragonborn or kobolds, or even kobolds =/= dragonborn. No options for "looks like a dragon" [B][U]only[/U][/B], a la kobold. Too much "Yeah, you did a great job," or "No, I didn't like this [I]one [/I]aspect" and no options for "No, I dislike the premise/[I]everything[/I]". Wow. Just shocking how little I was prepared for that poll to suck. For the record, I assume dragonborn will be in 5e. I don't really care what form they take, what their backstory is or any of that jazz. I hate them and don't plan on using them. That goes for draconians, spellscales, and dragonborn of Bahamut as well. Don't need or want a human-sized dragon-person (except as below) and certainly not one tied directly to a dragon or the dragon-gods. Now, half-dragons - through various origins with the most likely being a papa dragon and mama human (alter race/genders as appropriate) - I have and do plan to continue using them. But I don't need any ties to clutches of eggs, special ritual garbage, blessings by gods or anything like that. I figure if dragons are rare, half-dragons should be extra rare as they are when a full dragon ends up doing something special to create one that is half. I don't like a race of half-dragons in this regard, and I think that is why a template works best. They are only half-dragon afterall, you need to have the dragon part modify the non-dragon part - that means template to me. And nothing he discusses about dragonborn, etc. does that for me. Not one bit. It just strikes me as FAR too one true wayism and doesn't make any sense for what I have come to love about half-dragons. And for kobolds? What? I was going to poll half-dragon, but then I saw kobolds and I guess they are draconic but they aren't born of whatever either. How they came to be is anyone's guess - same goes for dwarves, elves, humans, and so on. They are kind of the opposite of half-dragons, a true race that breeds and create more of themselves. They aren't special when they exist, that is why they can be used as canon fodder lowbie monsters. Why was kobold on the poll? Was it to split the half-dragon vote (my best guess at the moment)? How are kobolds related at all? Should we include humans in the halfling poll now too? I mean it is just a different heighted pink skinned creature, just like kobolds are different heighted scaled-skinned creatures in the dragonborn poll. As far as the aquatic one: Meh, nothing really stands out as great. Nothing exceptionally terrible either. The assumptions about merfolk make sense - hard to forge or write when under water. But I wonder why the "unpredictable" part isn't applied to all humanoids, or at least all races of any type. I mean there is no reason I can see that all orcs, or elves or anyone would be monolithic except to the sheltered human observers. I think they need to try a little harder. Merrow? Eh, I think they need their own non-ogre entry; but they need to do a description in a non-ogre way too. If merrow aren't ogres that is cool, don't sort them there. I think that they probably shouldn't be descend from ogres either maybe? (I don't know, haven't given it any thought before this article.) I personally find the marid description that was given to be pretty weak over all. Not a whole lot to work with - kind of like how the gnoll description, or was it Yeenoghu*, mentioned too much about Yeenoghu and not enough about gnolls themselves, and very little that is actually useful when encountering them. They're descended from hyenas/ogres, cool. So what does that mean when fighting them? Should we try to parlay and fix their genetic condition? Nah, probably not - they'd still be hyenas/ogres and eat us. Kracken - Okay, I have a question. Was the part in there about "fresh, salt water and air" useful? What does it accomplish that outsider/immortal tag doesn't? I mean isn't that what it really is at this point? Also, not a huge fan of its over-intelligence and apparent warlordship but it isn't something that really factors in for me. I'm curious what shape the supernatural abilities will take - controlling storms and fish. * And if it was the Yeenoghu description, and not the gnolls; then why was there so much about the gnolls that I think it was their description? Don't need to spend half of any monster description focusing on something else and only half on the thing you are talking about - that is poor design regardless of whose description it is. [/QUOTE]
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