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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 6560031" data-attributes="member: 59506"><p>I agree with Mouseferatu.</p><p></p><p>And adding on to what he said, I'd point out that +1 to hit (or +2, +3) are all graduations that mean nothing except in relation to a reference; that reference being randomized Attack and Damage rolls, Proficiency Bonuses, arbitrary one-size-fits-all (unscientific) advantage/disadvantage bonuses, any other "bonuses", and ultimately,<em> B<em>ounded Accuracy</em>.</em> ALL of which are Metagame concepts and mechanics.</p><p></p><p>On top of which, "+1", "+2", "+3", etc. all come off as essentially "scientific" graduations and notations; something quite inconsistent and anachronistic with typical fantasy settings.</p><p></p><p>Now, if you've introduced a pseudo-scientific aspect or culture into your game, or you're playing a modern/future game, and using advanced alloys, advanced manufacturing techniques, or future technology (like vibroblades, for instance), then I could buy it. You could have "Class 1 Gravity Maces", "Class 2 Vibroblades" (or "Sonic" weapons), "Class 3 Plasma Sword", etc. In a medieval/renaissance pseudo-scientific setting, you could have a weapon with a "Level 1 Evocation", or "Grade 3 Enchantment", etc.</p><p></p><p>But in my opinion, without such accommodations and in general play, it's Metagaming; and as DM, I'd point out such instances and ask my players to avoid it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 6560031, member: 59506"] I agree with Mouseferatu. And adding on to what he said, I'd point out that +1 to hit (or +2, +3) are all graduations that mean nothing except in relation to a reference; that reference being randomized Attack and Damage rolls, Proficiency Bonuses, arbitrary one-size-fits-all (unscientific) advantage/disadvantage bonuses, any other "bonuses", and ultimately,[I] B[I]ounded Accuracy[/I].[/I] ALL of which are Metagame concepts and mechanics. On top of which, "+1", "+2", "+3", etc. all come off as essentially "scientific" graduations and notations; something quite inconsistent and anachronistic with typical fantasy settings. Now, if you've introduced a pseudo-scientific aspect or culture into your game, or you're playing a modern/future game, and using advanced alloys, advanced manufacturing techniques, or future technology (like vibroblades, for instance), then I could buy it. You could have "Class 1 Gravity Maces", "Class 2 Vibroblades" (or "Sonic" weapons), "Class 3 Plasma Sword", etc. In a medieval/renaissance pseudo-scientific setting, you could have a weapon with a "Level 1 Evocation", or "Grade 3 Enchantment", etc. But in my opinion, without such accommodations and in general play, it's Metagaming; and as DM, I'd point out such instances and ask my players to avoid it. [/QUOTE]
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