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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8168912" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>My entire point is that this is a false claim on your part.</p><p></p><p>I'm not attributing things I've "thought up" to Achilli. That's the whole point. If Revised had just, y'know, come out, without Achilli saying anything about the whys/wherefores of the design/lore changes, I'd have been like "Hmmm some of these changes are rubbish", but not felt like I was being excluded, or like they were motivated by exclusionary thinking, just that they were a bit dumb.</p><p></p><p>The reality, however, as that Achilli explained at some length, on sadly long-gone sites, what they had done with Revised, and why, and was quite open that his motivation was basically exclusionary (obviously he never used that term - it wasn't one in much use back then) towards a lot of people playing VtM. Claiming it's "imagined in my head" is just extremely rude gaslighting on your part.</p><p></p><p>Also, claiming I'm saying we were "playing it right" and everyone else was "wrong" is straightforward lying about what I've said in my post. I've not said anything of the sort. I'm saying that it was a playstyle they supported heavily in terms of 2E material published, and indeed, even in Revised, they later started supporting it again. So it was bizarre to try and exclude this both "superheroes with fangs" and more "romantic" takes on vampires - let's not forget that latter bit. I doubt V5 does the latter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8168912, member: 18"] My entire point is that this is a false claim on your part. I'm not attributing things I've "thought up" to Achilli. That's the whole point. If Revised had just, y'know, come out, without Achilli saying anything about the whys/wherefores of the design/lore changes, I'd have been like "Hmmm some of these changes are rubbish", but not felt like I was being excluded, or like they were motivated by exclusionary thinking, just that they were a bit dumb. The reality, however, as that Achilli explained at some length, on sadly long-gone sites, what they had done with Revised, and why, and was quite open that his motivation was basically exclusionary (obviously he never used that term - it wasn't one in much use back then) towards a lot of people playing VtM. Claiming it's "imagined in my head" is just extremely rude gaslighting on your part. Also, claiming I'm saying we were "playing it right" and everyone else was "wrong" is straightforward lying about what I've said in my post. I've not said anything of the sort. I'm saying that it was a playstyle they supported heavily in terms of 2E material published, and indeed, even in Revised, they later started supporting it again. So it was bizarre to try and exclude this both "superheroes with fangs" and more "romantic" takes on vampires - let's not forget that latter bit. I doubt V5 does the latter. [/QUOTE]
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