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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7894026" data-attributes="member: 16814">In your hypo, you make a clear point of scaling both the rolls and the DCs.&nbsp; You do this because it would be immediately obvious you were talking about different systems if you did not.&nbsp; Yet, your entire argument here is tgat you can do this and it's the same.Again, the argument I have issue with is that d20 does not differ significantly from 3d6, proved by scaling 3d6 by 2 and recentering, but still using the original DC scheme.&nbsp; This is improper.&nbsp; I've tried that argument cleanly, I've tried it by showing the mismatch in range for the cumulatives, and I've tried by pointing out the gaps in the probabilities, all to try show this.&nbsp; So far I've failed, so here's a final go:Explain how the same set of DCs generate the same results if I use a d20 in one and 2*d20-10 (with or without your kludge as you please).&nbsp; If you cannot, please revisit your argument that the same DCs used for d20 vs 3d6 comparisions are still valid for 2*3d6-10 (kludged as you wish) v d20 comparisons.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7894026, member: 16814"] In your hypo, you make a clear point of scaling both the rolls and the DCs. You do this because it would be immediately obvious you were talking about different systems if you did not. Yet, your entire argument here is tgat you can do this and it's the same. Again, the argument I have issue with is that d20 does not differ significantly from 3d6, proved by scaling 3d6 by 2 and recentering, but still using the original DC scheme. This is improper. I've tried that argument cleanly, I've tried it by showing the mismatch in range for the cumulatives, and I've tried by pointing out the gaps in the probabilities, all to try show this. So far I've failed, so here's a final go: Explain how the same set of DCs generate the same results if I use a d20 in one and 2*d20-10 (with or without your kludge as you please). If you cannot, please revisit your argument that the same DCs used for d20 vs 3d6 comparisions are still valid for 2*3d6-10 (kludged as you wish) v d20 comparisons. [/QUOTE]

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