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<blockquote data-quote="maggot" data-source="post: 2053203" data-attributes="member: 1005"><p>Thanks. I had thought of that, but lost the link.</p><p></p><p>I took a look at the challenge ratings document. According to it, for an undead with DR 15/silver and good, the CR rating is 0.75. For that amount of CR you can get (focusing on more defensive abilities):</p><p></p><p>Fast healing 10</p><p>Fire resistance 37.5</p><p>DR 30/silver or magic</p><p>DR 22.5/magic</p><p>DR 15/epic</p><p>DR 7.5/-</p><p>Hardness 3.75</p><p>+7.5 natural armor (or deflection for that matter)</p><p>Spell resistance 17.5</p><p>Turn Resistance +15</p><p>Death Throes as Balor</p><p>+7.5 to one stat</p><p>3.75 bonus feats</p><p>37.5 bonus skill points</p><p>Equipment as a 6th level NPC (5400gp)</p><p></p><p>Some other things that aren't exact:</p><p></p><p>1 extra hit die as undead is 0.45, two extra HD is 0.9</p><p>For 0.6 the creature can fly at 60 or more depending on size.</p><p>Greater Dispelling (20th level) at will is worth 0.6</p><p></p><p>These sound highly variable. I can't see how 1 or 2 hit dice of undead is worth anywhere near what "DR 15/silver and good" is. And Greater Dispelling at will at 20th is got to be worth a lot more than that.</p><p></p><p>But something is really wonky.</p><p>Greater Dispelling (20th level) at will is worth 0.6, and cast spells as 2nd level Cleric is worth 0.76.</p><p></p><p>Spell Resistance (20th level) at will is worth 0.5, but SR 32 is 3.2.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="maggot, post: 2053203, member: 1005"] Thanks. I had thought of that, but lost the link. I took a look at the challenge ratings document. According to it, for an undead with DR 15/silver and good, the CR rating is 0.75. For that amount of CR you can get (focusing on more defensive abilities): Fast healing 10 Fire resistance 37.5 DR 30/silver or magic DR 22.5/magic DR 15/epic DR 7.5/- Hardness 3.75 +7.5 natural armor (or deflection for that matter) Spell resistance 17.5 Turn Resistance +15 Death Throes as Balor +7.5 to one stat 3.75 bonus feats 37.5 bonus skill points Equipment as a 6th level NPC (5400gp) Some other things that aren't exact: 1 extra hit die as undead is 0.45, two extra HD is 0.9 For 0.6 the creature can fly at 60 or more depending on size. Greater Dispelling (20th level) at will is worth 0.6 These sound highly variable. I can't see how 1 or 2 hit dice of undead is worth anywhere near what "DR 15/silver and good" is. And Greater Dispelling at will at 20th is got to be worth a lot more than that. But something is really wonky. Greater Dispelling (20th level) at will is worth 0.6, and cast spells as 2nd level Cleric is worth 0.76. Spell Resistance (20th level) at will is worth 0.5, but SR 32 is 3.2. [/QUOTE]
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