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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6266163" data-attributes="member: 2525">The evasion ability makes no sense, with or without the melee issue.  It's nonsense that a 2nd level rogue can dodge a spell fully even under horrible conditions, but the more dexterious 20th level PC who happens to not be a rogue cannot dodge the same attack even under far superior circumstances.  Unless the ability is magic, it's not modelling any physics I know of - it's just a hand-waive type ability.  And so if people are able to wrap their mind around that kind of "mundane" ability in the game, I was not sure why they had trouble with the melee damage-on-a-miss issue, since it's to me the same sort of hand-waive type issue as evasion.As for the main argument of whether we'd need to change spells if we change the melee type, I don't think we do.  Changing the melee type is not my personal preference, but I certainly understand the position that it should be changed, and feel it makes some sense (most of my players don't like it either).  I just think damage on a miss with a melee weapon also makes sense (to me).  For me, it's just a matter of preference - and a mild preference at that.  But I don't think you'd need to go changing half-damage spells if you change the melee version.  The game doesn't require them to behave the same way.</blockquote>