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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7897396" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>Do you actually have any players doing this? If not, then it doesn't matter. If no one uses an allowable rule, then that rule might as well not even exist.</p><p></p><p>Until you actually have a game where you have both a Fighter <em>and</em> a Rogue with high STR and Expertise in Athletics who is consistently out-performing the Fighter in Athletic endeavors to the point where it is noticeable and irritating to the Fighter player... or you have a game with both a Paladin <em>and</em> a Rogue with high CHA and Expertise in Persuasion who is consistently taking opportunities away from the Paladin for rolling checks during interactions... the fact that the rules in a white-room might eventually at 20th level allow a rogue to be "best" at it is irrelevant.</p><p></p><p>And besides which... none of these classes are actually supposed to be the "best" at certain specific skills. And we know this because no classes are forced to take them. You can have Wizards who don't know Arcana. You can have Clerics that don't know Religion. Rangers without Stealth, Fighters without Athletics. So in no way should we even be claiming that these classes are <em>supposed</em> to be the best at them, and not the Rogue. If these classes were designed such that they were <em>supposed</em> to be the best, they would have received these skills automatically.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7897396, member: 7006"] Do you actually have any players doing this? If not, then it doesn't matter. If no one uses an allowable rule, then that rule might as well not even exist. Until you actually have a game where you have both a Fighter [I]and[/I] a Rogue with high STR and Expertise in Athletics who is consistently out-performing the Fighter in Athletic endeavors to the point where it is noticeable and irritating to the Fighter player... or you have a game with both a Paladin [I]and[/I] a Rogue with high CHA and Expertise in Persuasion who is consistently taking opportunities away from the Paladin for rolling checks during interactions... the fact that the rules in a white-room might eventually at 20th level allow a rogue to be "best" at it is irrelevant. And besides which... none of these classes are actually supposed to be the "best" at certain specific skills. And we know this because no classes are forced to take them. You can have Wizards who don't know Arcana. You can have Clerics that don't know Religion. Rangers without Stealth, Fighters without Athletics. So in no way should we even be claiming that these classes are [I]supposed[/I] to be the best at them, and not the Rogue. If these classes were designed such that they were [I]supposed[/I] to be the best, they would have received these skills automatically. [/QUOTE]
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