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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hashmalum" data-source="post: 566620" data-attributes="member: 9450">Guilt Puppy mentioned finding a way of dealing with odd racial ability modifiers... One possible solution I thought of that might work for randomly rolled attributes (although not point-buys) is to have the player choose race and class, then assign attributes blindly. What I mean by this is to have the DM roll up 6 scores, then have the player assign scores from highest to lowest to abilities without knowing what the scores are. You don't need to know specific scores in order to work out a basic character concept, but you do need to know those scores in order to min-max with odd racial ability modifiers. You could use this with ability-modifying "racial" feats too, provided that these had to be chosen at the same time as the base race.</blockquote>