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<blockquote data-quote="DarkLord Of DForce" data-source="post: 5040571" data-attributes="member: 85416"><p>From the Players Handbook:</p><p></p><p>"Interrupts Target’s Action: An opportunity action</p><p>takes place before the target finishes its action.</p><p>After the opportunity attack, the creature resumes</p><p>its action. If the target is reduced to 0 hit points or</p><p>fewer by the opportunity attack, it can’t finish its</p><p>action because it’s dead or dying."</p><p></p><p>I can only read this one way - that as a creature enters the adjacent square, it triggers the OA from Warding Blade, so at this point, its broken the plane/crossed the line of the adjacent square. Now before it finishes, and sets down in the adjacent square (mid-stride, halfway between squares, as it were), the OA resolves, then the creatures is sitting adjacent to the Avenger, ("the creature resumes its action")assuming the OA didn't kill it.</p><p></p><p>Well, this thread certainly has been educational for me. Its taught me just how much I don't know, and don't understand 4e and I guess, D&D in general.</p><p></p><p>I surely can't understand how a trigger happens before the event that provokes it. I can't undersand how, just by saying you're moving to and adjacent square (declared!), yet before you actually move, a trigger based on you entering an adjacent square happens, and yet, you've not even gotten to the square yet.</p><p></p><p>What if, during the game, the DM has his hand on the creature, moves it 1 square away from the adjacent square, and without removing his hand from the piece, declares he changes his mind and is stopping 2 squares away? He's not entered the adjacent square, but according to the logic here, because he said he was going to, the trigger still happens.</p><p>What if a creature gets 2 squares away and moves 1 square straight up by jumping? Silly, but there ya go.</p><p></p><p>Just another thought, if you were playing an Avenger, and you had used Warding Blade, pushed the enemies 2 squares away, and the DM put his hand on a piece and says I'm moving this one back to attack you, before he could even move the piece, would you immediately say OA! ? How silly would that look, when the DM hasn't even moved the piece yet, not even entering an adjacent square, and not setting off the trigger? How silly would that look?</p><p></p><p>Ugh. I still just don't get it. I can perfectly understand the trigger *resolving* before the action that triggered it finishes- thats what the description from the PH says, but not before the actual trigger is set off....</p><p></p><p>I've shown this thread to our DMs and they don't get it either. So I've sent an e-mail to CS and our campaign is going to go by their reply. Just for the fun of it, I'll post their reply here.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the replies and the discussion. (and everyone's patience with me).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DarkLord Of DForce, post: 5040571, member: 85416"] From the Players Handbook: "Interrupts Target’s Action: An opportunity action takes place before the target finishes its action. After the opportunity attack, the creature resumes its action. If the target is reduced to 0 hit points or fewer by the opportunity attack, it can’t finish its action because it’s dead or dying." I can only read this one way - that as a creature enters the adjacent square, it triggers the OA from Warding Blade, so at this point, its broken the plane/crossed the line of the adjacent square. Now before it finishes, and sets down in the adjacent square (mid-stride, halfway between squares, as it were), the OA resolves, then the creatures is sitting adjacent to the Avenger, ("the creature resumes its action")assuming the OA didn't kill it. Well, this thread certainly has been educational for me. Its taught me just how much I don't know, and don't understand 4e and I guess, D&D in general. I surely can't understand how a trigger happens before the event that provokes it. I can't undersand how, just by saying you're moving to and adjacent square (declared!), yet before you actually move, a trigger based on you entering an adjacent square happens, and yet, you've not even gotten to the square yet. What if, during the game, the DM has his hand on the creature, moves it 1 square away from the adjacent square, and without removing his hand from the piece, declares he changes his mind and is stopping 2 squares away? He's not entered the adjacent square, but according to the logic here, because he said he was going to, the trigger still happens. What if a creature gets 2 squares away and moves 1 square straight up by jumping? Silly, but there ya go. Just another thought, if you were playing an Avenger, and you had used Warding Blade, pushed the enemies 2 squares away, and the DM put his hand on a piece and says I'm moving this one back to attack you, before he could even move the piece, would you immediately say OA! ? How silly would that look, when the DM hasn't even moved the piece yet, not even entering an adjacent square, and not setting off the trigger? How silly would that look? Ugh. I still just don't get it. I can perfectly understand the trigger *resolving* before the action that triggered it finishes- thats what the description from the PH says, but not before the actual trigger is set off.... I've shown this thread to our DMs and they don't get it either. So I've sent an e-mail to CS and our campaign is going to go by their reply. Just for the fun of it, I'll post their reply here. Thanks for the replies and the discussion. (and everyone's patience with me). [/QUOTE]
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