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Repulsive Armor vs Warding Blades
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5041647" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>And simply put CS is just wrong. I still don't think they've really grasped the situation. The Warding Blades OA <strong>is an opportunity attack</strong> as defined in its text. The PHB states flat out that Opportunity Actions/Attacks interrupt the action they are triggered by. We already KNOW from numerous sources, including the FAQ that when you OA the enemy is in the square from which they moved (not the first square they were in before the entire move action, just the one they were in before they came adjacent to you, and movement BTW is not "plotted" ahead of time, each square of movement is decided as you move). Thus the basic mechanics of the game are at variance with what CS is saying.</p><p></p><p>In essence the last CS response you posted can only be interpreted as saying "well, Warding Blades is just different", but the guy has no logical basis on which he is pinning his assertion that it is different. Just because the OA is granted by a power and not basic rules or a class feature means NOTHING. It is phrased in terms of an OA, thus it has to follow the rules of OAs. If they want it to be "different" then the power's description needs to say that, period. Either they need to issue an FAQ entry saying its different, or errata.</p><p></p><p>As for the Repulsive Armor thing: Movement isn't "plotted". When an enemy decides to move he takes his move action and starts moving. First he decides where his first square of movement will take him, then anything triggered by that square of movement is resolved. Once that's done he decides where his second square of movement will take him, etc. So if one of those squares of movement takes him adjacent to someone with Repulsive Armor then it can trigger and he's pushed back. He still has his remaining squares of movement to use and he can decide where the next one takes him, etc. So YES he can move back towards you again. If he has enough movement remaining then he can get adjacent again. </p><p></p><p>Repulsive Armor is not a guaranteed way to keep someone away from you. Depending on how far they moved and how much movement they have when they get to you, it may not keep them away. Furthermore there are ways to combine it with other stuff for better effect. For instance there are a BUNCH of ways to add an effect to pushes that knock pushed targets prone. THAT would make RA much more effective and anyone using it would be clever to get something that gave them that. </p><p></p><p>Finally there is no requirement that Repulsive Armor be magnificently effective. A lot of items are only marginal and don't really gain you that much. Its an item that on its own CAN help you out. Given that its trigger is VERY common the chances are you'll get to use it to good effect sooner or later in any given day. It just may not be useful vs every enemy coming adjacent.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: And Keterys has outlined a lot of good tactics to use with it. Overall a good item for a fighter or even a back rank character.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5041647, member: 82106"] And simply put CS is just wrong. I still don't think they've really grasped the situation. The Warding Blades OA [B]is an opportunity attack[/B] as defined in its text. The PHB states flat out that Opportunity Actions/Attacks interrupt the action they are triggered by. We already KNOW from numerous sources, including the FAQ that when you OA the enemy is in the square from which they moved (not the first square they were in before the entire move action, just the one they were in before they came adjacent to you, and movement BTW is not "plotted" ahead of time, each square of movement is decided as you move). Thus the basic mechanics of the game are at variance with what CS is saying. In essence the last CS response you posted can only be interpreted as saying "well, Warding Blades is just different", but the guy has no logical basis on which he is pinning his assertion that it is different. Just because the OA is granted by a power and not basic rules or a class feature means NOTHING. It is phrased in terms of an OA, thus it has to follow the rules of OAs. If they want it to be "different" then the power's description needs to say that, period. Either they need to issue an FAQ entry saying its different, or errata. As for the Repulsive Armor thing: Movement isn't "plotted". When an enemy decides to move he takes his move action and starts moving. First he decides where his first square of movement will take him, then anything triggered by that square of movement is resolved. Once that's done he decides where his second square of movement will take him, etc. So if one of those squares of movement takes him adjacent to someone with Repulsive Armor then it can trigger and he's pushed back. He still has his remaining squares of movement to use and he can decide where the next one takes him, etc. So YES he can move back towards you again. If he has enough movement remaining then he can get adjacent again. Repulsive Armor is not a guaranteed way to keep someone away from you. Depending on how far they moved and how much movement they have when they get to you, it may not keep them away. Furthermore there are ways to combine it with other stuff for better effect. For instance there are a BUNCH of ways to add an effect to pushes that knock pushed targets prone. THAT would make RA much more effective and anyone using it would be clever to get something that gave them that. Finally there is no requirement that Repulsive Armor be magnificently effective. A lot of items are only marginal and don't really gain you that much. Its an item that on its own CAN help you out. Given that its trigger is VERY common the chances are you'll get to use it to good effect sooner or later in any given day. It just may not be useful vs every enemy coming adjacent. EDIT: And Keterys has outlined a lot of good tactics to use with it. Overall a good item for a fighter or even a back rank character. [/QUOTE]
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