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<blockquote data-quote="jayoungr" data-source="post: 7900507" data-attributes="member: 6702445">Argh, I feel like we're talking past each other here, but I'm not sure how to put us on the same page.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Maybe a recap will help? Here's how our last few posts have read, to me:You:&nbsp; &quot;It should be really difficult to talk someone down from wanting to kill you.&quot;Me:&nbsp; &quot;I think it should be possible for almost anyone to try.&nbsp; Here's a sample scenario, with numbers.&quot;You:&nbsp; &quot;You can get similar numbers in 5E if you build a charisma-heavy character.&quot;Me:&nbsp; &quot;But in SWSE, you can get those numbers even without being charisma-heavy.&quot;You:&nbsp; &quot;Why would you even try this if your character wasn't built for charisma?&nbsp; It would be really easy if you had a good charisma bonus.&quot;I feel like your last statement is just a restatement of your first statement, and we're circling around the real question, which is &quot;Should talking someone out of attacking you on sight be the province of highly skilled characters only?&quot;*Personally, I still don't think so.&nbsp; You're not bringing them around to loving you with one die roll--you're just convincing them not to pull the trigger at that exact moment.&nbsp; I think that is not startlingly unrealistic, and furthermore, I think it gives players more fun options in a given situation.*If the numbers do not change between systems, the answer is yes for 5E and no for SWSE.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jayoungr, post: 7900507, member: 6702445"] Argh, I feel like we're talking past each other here, but I'm not sure how to put us on the same page. :) Maybe a recap will help? Here's how our last few posts have read, to me: You: "It should be really difficult to talk someone down from wanting to kill you." Me: "I think it should be possible for almost anyone to try. Here's a sample scenario, with numbers." You: "You can get similar numbers in 5E if you build a charisma-heavy character." Me: "But in SWSE, you can get those numbers even without being charisma-heavy." You: "Why would you even try this if your character wasn't built for charisma? It would be really easy if you had a good charisma bonus." I feel like your last statement is just a restatement of your first statement, and we're circling around the real question, which is "Should talking someone out of attacking you on sight be the province of highly skilled characters only?"* Personally, I still don't think so. You're not bringing them around to loving you with one die roll--you're just convincing them not to pull the trigger at that exact moment. I think that is not startlingly unrealistic, and furthermore, I think it gives players more fun options in a given situation. *If the numbers do not change between systems, the answer is yes for 5E and no for SWSE. [/QUOTE]

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