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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 2222763" data-attributes="member: 12037">Correct. Which has nothing to do with advancing the normal lammasu. An advanced lammasu uses the Advancement line in the lammasu text, not the alternate classed lammasu. When you advance the lammasu, it must follow the advancement outlined in its stat block. This is very important to my point.Celestial and Half-dragon are templates, so they don't matter to the discussion unless you think a dragon age category is like a template. If you do, then there isn't much more to discuss because I completely disagree with this line of thought. They are a function of the dragon's hit dice according to the Advancement column.If it said that all lammasu over 10 Hit Dice gained the Celestial Template, then I would conversely say that any lammasu under 10 Hit Dice would lose the Celestial Template. Just like they would lose extra feats, skill points, BAB, etc. Unless you think that they would keep the feats, skill points, BAB, etc. At which point, we are at serious odds again about how we handle this.Tsk tsk, I think you need to re-think your house rule. See, I can do that too.You are confused as to what I am saying, I will try to be more clear. Age Category has nothing to do with the physical age of the dragon, it is instead a product of how many hit dice a dragon has exactly like BAB, saving throws, etc.Again, as an example, take a hypothetical Medium creature that has 8 HD and its Advancement states that when it gains 11 HD it becomes Large. The HD referred to here are the creature hit dice, so if it gains 3 levels of fighter, it will not increase in size, if it gains 3 monsterous hit dice (of whichever type it is), then it will increase to Large size.So no, dragon Age Category is dependant on its Advancement, not how many generic Hit Dice it has. Perhaps I should use Monserous Hit Dice in the future to avoid ambiguity.Unless you believe that the hypothetical creature grows to Large size when taking fighter levels, at which, we are at an impass again.I think we can agree that they did not explicitly say how to handle simulacrum with a dragon. What I am attempting to do is to figure out what RAW says about the matter. My reference point is the Advancement text under the creature description. In order to "de-Advance" the creature I am reverse-engineering this and using it to draw a conclusion as to how to handle lowering a creature's HD. I also would decrease the size category if need be.Please supply your reference point.Please give text to support your statement with regard to dragon Age Category.Right. Would you also leave BAB, saving throws, etc, the same?The dragon does not gain an Age Category. The Hit Dice gained are not MHD, they are unnamed HD (of d10).EDIT:By the way, dragons of different age categories can't be different creatures because the share the same stat block:I know of no creatures that share a stat block that are different creatures.</blockquote>

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