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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 2044032" data-attributes="member: 151">I don't recall, but yes, they were CR 30 or 30+.&nbsp; That's why they need advancing...not big enough. Seriously.To clarify: the Primals are the nine major beings who, for reasons not entirely understood by mortals, fashioned the Prime Material Plane.&nbsp; They are pure elemental forces who may or may not be from their respective planes...virtual avatars of their concept.&nbsp; Have you ever read seen Jack Kirby's Celestials in Marvel Comics?&nbsp; Imagine something like them, but more chaotic and less benevolent.&nbsp; If freed, they will roam the prime, sowing chaos wherever they go.&nbsp; The Fire Primal will turn land to lava, seas to steam and forests to ash.&nbsp; He is not chaos, he is not Law...he is FIRE.&nbsp; In point of fact, I only plan on using the Prime Elementals as a base for the Primals, should they be unleashed upon the world again.&nbsp; The only way the players will be able to contain them, since defeat isn't truly an option, is through clever work, lots of help and maybe some big juju.&nbsp; If they defeat it by force of arms and manage to survive, then it's well deserved.&nbsp; But it should be very dangerous, even for the Meepites.As for the hunters, they've been stated out for months...the PCs just keep avoiding them.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; They're highly modified yugoloths, in point of fact...but the distinction of devil, demon and other is sometimes lost on all but Dravot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 2044032, member: 151"] I don't recall, but yes, they were CR 30 or 30+. That's why they need advancing...not big enough. Seriously. To clarify: the Primals are the nine major beings who, for reasons not entirely understood by mortals, fashioned the Prime Material Plane. They are pure elemental forces who may or may not be from their respective planes...virtual avatars of their concept. Have you ever read seen Jack Kirby's Celestials in Marvel Comics? Imagine something like them, but more chaotic and less benevolent. If freed, they will roam the prime, sowing chaos wherever they go. The Fire Primal will turn land to lava, seas to steam and forests to ash. He is not chaos, he is not Law...he is FIRE. In point of fact, I only plan on using the Prime Elementals as a base for the Primals, should they be unleashed upon the world again. The only way the players will be able to contain them, since defeat isn't truly an option, is through clever work, lots of help and maybe some big juju. If they defeat it by force of arms and manage to survive, then it's well deserved. But it should be very dangerous, even for the Meepites. As for the hunters, they've been stated out for months...the PCs just keep avoiding them. ;) They're highly modified yugoloths, in point of fact...but the distinction of devil, demon and other is sometimes lost on all but Dravot. [/QUOTE]

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