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<blockquote data-quote="BluejayJunior" data-source="post: 7635177" data-attributes="member: 6918769">Hide in Plain Sight gives a +10 to a single stealth check. That means that even a nonskilled ranger can still be pretty darn stealthy. As long as they aren't moving. It is entirely possible to not be skilled at moving stealthily, but know enough to be able to spend a minute to make camouflage sufficient enough to hide a nonmoving person. Vanish also gives you the ability to not be tracked by nonmagical means. That part feels more like survival than stealth to me. A ranger could totally not be very stealthy, but be in tune with nature and tracking enough to be able to not leave a trail. I see where you are coming from. But I think that forcing certain skills just makes classes more one dimensional and limits some of the creativity of coming up with character concepts. Blue has had some great ideas for wizards that wouldn't have proficiency in Arcana.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BluejayJunior, post: 7635177, member: 6918769"] Hide in Plain Sight gives a +10 to a single stealth check. That means that even a nonskilled ranger can still be pretty darn stealthy. As long as they aren't moving. It is entirely possible to not be skilled at moving stealthily, but know enough to be able to spend a minute to make camouflage sufficient enough to hide a nonmoving person. Vanish also gives you the ability to not be tracked by nonmagical means. That part feels more like survival than stealth to me. A ranger could totally not be very stealthy, but be in tune with nature and tracking enough to be able to not leave a trail. I see where you are coming from. But I think that forcing certain skills just makes classes more one dimensional and limits some of the creativity of coming up with character concepts. Blue has had some great ideas for wizards that wouldn't have proficiency in Arcana. [/QUOTE]

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