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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7635253" data-attributes="member: 996">While I don't disagree that a wizard could learn magic &amp; have his spell book while remaining ignorant of Arcane lore outside the practical necessities of his trade, I can't agree that opens up a wide variety.&nbsp; The wizard is a bookish, Vancian/Hermetic magic-user, no matter how you tweak or polish it.&nbsp; Casting arcane spells without all that training and that spellbook was broken out to the innate-magic Sorcerer and the pact-fueled Warlock (and, without the spellbook - ie oral tradition, I guess, to the Bard).&nbsp; D&amp;D has gone from one Magic-User class, to 4 fully-supported full classes - plus two new sub-classes in two formerly all-martial-all-the-time classes.&nbsp; They were bound to get a little narrow.As long as there's language that gives you back the choice if you /did/ already take that skill, sure.&nbsp; No compelling reason, no.&nbsp; Anyone who's v-tude might be tweaked by 'suddenly' getting both the skill &amp; enhancement /could/ just plan ahead a little and take the skill earlier.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7635253, member: 996"] While I don't disagree that a wizard could learn magic & have his spell book while remaining ignorant of Arcane lore outside the practical necessities of his trade, I can't agree that opens up a wide variety. The wizard is a bookish, Vancian/Hermetic magic-user, no matter how you tweak or polish it. Casting arcane spells without all that training and that spellbook was broken out to the innate-magic Sorcerer and the pact-fueled Warlock (and, without the spellbook - ie oral tradition, I guess, to the Bard). D&D has gone from one Magic-User class, to 4 fully-supported full classes - plus two new sub-classes in two formerly all-martial-all-the-time classes. They were bound to get a little narrow. As long as there's language that gives you back the choice if you /did/ already take that skill, sure. No compelling reason, no. Anyone who's v-tude might be tweaked by 'suddenly' getting both the skill & enhancement /could/ just plan ahead a little and take the skill earlier. [/QUOTE]

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