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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 7635544" data-attributes="member: 53980">What about Athletics? Hard to imagine a ranger who can't climb a tree or swim across a river.What about Animal Handling? Calming a spooked horse seems like it should in their wheelhouse.Include these skills on the &quot;required&quot; list and the ranger player doesn't get to make any choices regarding skills whatsoever. That makes each ranger a cookie-cutter character wrt skills. Which is rather boring IMO.I think allowing players freedom of creativity is more important than making sure they are doing it &quot;right&quot;. I realize that many DMs/designers have the impetus to say, &quot;you're doing it wrong, give it here&quot;. However, the PC is the one piece of the game world the belongs to the player. As such, the player's vision regarding their character takes precedence over the DM's, IMO. Maybe the player wants to be less Aragorn and more a military scout. In that case, a different skill may take priority over Nature, and it's not our place as DMs to tell those players that they are doing it &quot;wrong&quot;.Most of the times, players will choose the skills you listed, or a very similar set. IME, players will play to type much more often than against. That said, I'm still of the opinion that they should have the freedom to choose themselves, rather than the DM making those choices for them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 7635544, member: 53980"] What about Athletics? Hard to imagine a ranger who can't climb a tree or swim across a river. What about Animal Handling? Calming a spooked horse seems like it should in their wheelhouse. Include these skills on the "required" list and the ranger player doesn't get to make any choices regarding skills whatsoever. That makes each ranger a cookie-cutter character wrt skills. Which is rather boring IMO. I think allowing players freedom of creativity is more important than making sure they are doing it "right". I realize that many DMs/designers have the impetus to say, "you're doing it wrong, give it here". However, the PC is the one piece of the game world the belongs to the player. As such, the player's vision regarding their character takes precedence over the DM's, IMO. Maybe the player wants to be less Aragorn and more a military scout. In that case, a different skill may take priority over Nature, and it's not our place as DMs to tell those players that they are doing it "wrong". Most of the times, players will choose the skills you listed, or a very similar set. IME, players will play to type much more often than against. That said, I'm still of the opinion that they should have the freedom to choose themselves, rather than the DM making those choices for them. [/QUOTE]

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