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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6981631" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I consider them objects if they have physical substance. Things made of 'force' or 'energy' are not objects, so a magic missile or a ray of enfeeblement or a cone of cold is not an object for this purpose and cannot be usefully manipulated. An arrow made of acid is an object. A spike made of ice, a magically conjured blade, or a magically hurled stone is an object. An ice storm creates a bunch of objects, and though you could manipulate one of them, it would be like killing one individual of a swarm and generally have little or no utility. Likewise, a jet of water is an object, but if it masses a good deal more than gallon of water then pulling substance out of the jet is just a drop in the bucket and doesn't materially effect the consequences of the spell or effect.</p><p></p><p>The bead of a fireball is a special case. It's not clear from the text whether it is made of matter or energy, but it interacts with physical objects in some fashion (you have to aim to get it through an opening). That makes it sufficiently physical in my opinion to be considered an object. Presumably its that little ball of guano and sulfur that is the material component.</p><p></p><p>Some objects I'd allow you to catch, effectively deflecting them. You could reasonably catch a spike of ice, a stone, or a magically conjured dagger without injury, effectively deflecting it. I might require some sort of check in some cases if you did not also have a feat like Catch Arrows, to do so without harm - gripping a knife by the blade is generally bad even if it lacks momentum. Some objects if caught, are only intercepted and not deflected. If you catch a glob of acid or the bead of a fireball or similar object, you've controlled what the object hit, but you suffer the full effects of being hit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6981631, member: 4937"] I consider them objects if they have physical substance. Things made of 'force' or 'energy' are not objects, so a magic missile or a ray of enfeeblement or a cone of cold is not an object for this purpose and cannot be usefully manipulated. An arrow made of acid is an object. A spike made of ice, a magically conjured blade, or a magically hurled stone is an object. An ice storm creates a bunch of objects, and though you could manipulate one of them, it would be like killing one individual of a swarm and generally have little or no utility. Likewise, a jet of water is an object, but if it masses a good deal more than gallon of water then pulling substance out of the jet is just a drop in the bucket and doesn't materially effect the consequences of the spell or effect. The bead of a fireball is a special case. It's not clear from the text whether it is made of matter or energy, but it interacts with physical objects in some fashion (you have to aim to get it through an opening). That makes it sufficiently physical in my opinion to be considered an object. Presumably its that little ball of guano and sulfur that is the material component. Some objects I'd allow you to catch, effectively deflecting them. You could reasonably catch a spike of ice, a stone, or a magically conjured dagger without injury, effectively deflecting it. I might require some sort of check in some cases if you did not also have a feat like Catch Arrows, to do so without harm - gripping a knife by the blade is generally bad even if it lacks momentum. Some objects if caught, are only intercepted and not deflected. If you catch a glob of acid or the bead of a fireball or similar object, you've controlled what the object hit, but you suffer the full effects of being hit. [/QUOTE]
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