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Message: <blockquote data-quote="duneguy" data-source="post: 8701761" data-attributes="member: 56672">[USER=6683330]@lichmaster[/USER] absolutely, polymorph should have a big impact on CR just like damage transference does! I probably didn't think of it because I don't give it out much - though I give out shapeshifting a lot.[USER=83242]@dave2008[/USER] you and Morrus are both right on the question of saving throw proficiencies. And saving throw proficiencies really merit a more complete treatment than I gave them. On average and without checking, I bet I give out at least a saving throw proficiency at tier 2, two at tier 3, and three at tier 4 to most monsters. Rather than changing CR for each saving throw proficiency, I might want to set some expectation like that for the number of saving throw proficiencies a monster should have by CR - with maybe a -1 CR adjustment if you have far too few.</blockquote>