Resistance is futile

[Heselbine]

Some people seem not to like 4th edition. Some people love it. This is not unexpected.

Why, though, are we trying to win arguments about which is best? This debate smacks strongly of a religious war where the proponents of each side are not arguing on the basis of rationality but rather entrenched 'faith' positions.

If you want to run 3e, run 3e. If you want to run 4e, run 4e. Is the heart of the disagreement over a desire for the system to be supported? Because if so, the 3e bunch are deluding themselves. The only way that 3e will continue to be supported is if something pretty cataclysmic happens to Wizards as a result of 4e not taking off. I don't see much sign of that happening. They've sold more 4e books than expected by far.

Resistance is futile, 3e lovers: by all means continue to play 3e, but don't expect it to be supported going forward. It's not going to be economic to do so. Paizo are going to find out soon enough. I give it a year before they cave.

 

[Intense_Interest]

Some people seem not to like 4th edition. Some people love it. This is not unexpected.

Why, though, are we trying to win arguments about which is best? This debate smacks strongly of a religious war where the proponents of each side are not arguing on the basis of rationality but rather entrenched 'faith' positions.

If you want to run 3e, run 3e. If you want to run 4e, run 4e. Is the heart of the disagreement over a desire for the system to be supported? Because if so, the 3e bunch are deluding themselves. The only way that 3e will continue to be supported is if something pretty cataclysmic happens to Wizards as a result of 4e not taking off. I don't see much sign of that happening. They've sold more 4e books than expected by far.

Resistance is futile, 3e lovers: by all means continue to play 3e, but don't expect it to be supported going forward. It's not going to be economic to do so. Paizo are going to find out soon enough. I give it a year before they cave.

You don't like Cheer Leading, but you make an argument that people who disagree with you are delusional?

 

[Heselbine]

Well spotted.

 

[Aus_Snow]

If you want to run 3e, run 3e. If you want to run 4e, run 4e.

Amen.

by all means continue to play 3e, but don't expect it to be supported going forward.

Um, it is being supported. It will be supported.

That this bothers some 4e fanbois is telling.

 

[Heselbine]

Only time will tell whether or not there is an effective business model around supporting 3rd edition. There certainly is not an effective business model around supporting 1st or 2nd edition, though that's slightly debateable given Hackmaster.

My suspicion is that the 3rd edition business model will not be viable long-term. If you disagree, buy shares in Paizo.

Use of the word 'fanboy' is rather derogatory and I will not stoop to calling you a name in reply.

 

[Aus_Snow]

My suspicion is that the 3rd edition business model will not be viable long-term. If you disagree, buy shares in Paizo.

And on the flip side, why not buy shares in Hasbro?

Use of the word 'fanboy' is rather derogatory and I will not stoop to calling you a name in reply.

Actually, I use it lightly a lot, and often enough I've used it in reference to myself. Sorry if you found it to be insulting. For example, I consider myself a d20 fanboi, thuogh not exclusively. It's no big deal, either way.

Replace 'fanboi' with um, 'supporter' then. Or any number of other words that are pretty close.

 

[Heselbine]

Sorry if you found it to be insulting.

No, I should apologise, I'm coming over way too serious. I've just read my posts again.

I am wondering whether the religious analogy holds water to some extent. In the same way that some people's lives are completely invested in their religion, and you can't argue rationally with them, I wonder whether some reluctance to change to 4e is simply down to investment in 3e.

If you've tried 3e and you've tried 4e and you truly prefer 3e, all power to you. If you refuse to try 4e or you go into 4e with such negative preconceptions that you make it a bad experience, then I think that's a bit daft.

 

[Rodrigo Istalindir]

Here's a prophecy for you: 4e is doomed.

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but within 5 or 6 years, when they decide they've milked all they can from the current version and it's time for another reboot to sell the same stuff all over again.

At least 3.x has the OGL to give it some life after the fact.

 

[Fenes]

I don't really get the "Lack of support" thing. Just from what I gained from these forums I have already seen a number of things from 4E I can port into 3E. What support does one need anyway?

Rules are available, and will remain so - the SRD is free, and there are tons of PDFs.

Adventures and settings can be adapted rather easily with a bit of fudging - it's not as if it is really important how many skill points a monster has in 3E anyway.

What else is there?

 

[Reynard]

No, I should apologise, I'm coming over way too serious. I've just read my posts again.

I am wondering whether the religious analogy holds water to some extent. In the same way that some people's lives are completely invested in their religion, and you can't argue rationally with them, I wonder whether some reluctance to change to 4e is simply down to investment in 3e.

If you've tried 3e and you've tried 4e and you truly prefer 3e, all power to you. If you refuse to try 4e or you go into 4e with such negative preconceptions that you make it a bad experience, then I think that's a bit daft.

Maybe you'd come off less derogatory if you weren't assigning negative zealotry solely to the 3e fanbase.