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Resolving Two Triggers at the Same Time
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<blockquote data-quote="Radiating Gnome" data-source="post: 5821683" data-attributes="member: 150"><p>I'm with Fkewl. Mostly. Actually, I dunno. </p><p></p><p>Think about the trigger on a shield spell. The trigger is "you are hit by an attack". The power interrupts the attack boosts the AC and Reflect defense, and then (unless you're using it stupidly) the attack now misses. </p><p></p><p>So, Unseen Hand is a free action. It's a free action for a couple of reasons -- for one thing, it's can't be an immediate action because:</p><p>*immediate actions can only be taken when it's not your turn</p><p>*you only get one immediate action per round, so having to use an immediate action on your attack would be a pretty steep price to pay for these little power bumps</p><p></p><p>An important question is whether a free action actually interrupts the action that triggers it. So, in the case of the shield spell, the hit is interrupted, the shield spell changes game reality, and then the hit is re-resolved. If it were a immediate reaction, though, the attack would still hit, and do it's damage, even though the attack might have missed against the new, higher AC. </p><p></p><p>So....I think this is a pretty grey area. I can see reading it a lot of different ways. </p><p></p><p>On the one hand, the Unseen hand, even if it were a reaction, because it's triggered by the MBA hitting, could conceivably still move the target out of reach and it might not take the damage. </p><p></p><p>On the other hand, I think it's easy to say that the hit would still be resolved, and only interrupts can actually effectively roll back time and change the reality (the reality being, in this case, that the target was withing melee range). </p><p></p><p>Bottom line, for my own game, I think it's more "fun" for the player if his attack does damage and then the slide takes effect, so that's the way I'd rule. But I can't say I think that's the only way to interpret the RAW.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Radiating Gnome, post: 5821683, member: 150"] I'm with Fkewl. Mostly. Actually, I dunno. Think about the trigger on a shield spell. The trigger is "you are hit by an attack". The power interrupts the attack boosts the AC and Reflect defense, and then (unless you're using it stupidly) the attack now misses. So, Unseen Hand is a free action. It's a free action for a couple of reasons -- for one thing, it's can't be an immediate action because: *immediate actions can only be taken when it's not your turn *you only get one immediate action per round, so having to use an immediate action on your attack would be a pretty steep price to pay for these little power bumps An important question is whether a free action actually interrupts the action that triggers it. So, in the case of the shield spell, the hit is interrupted, the shield spell changes game reality, and then the hit is re-resolved. If it were a immediate reaction, though, the attack would still hit, and do it's damage, even though the attack might have missed against the new, higher AC. So....I think this is a pretty grey area. I can see reading it a lot of different ways. On the one hand, the Unseen hand, even if it were a reaction, because it's triggered by the MBA hitting, could conceivably still move the target out of reach and it might not take the damage. On the other hand, I think it's easy to say that the hit would still be resolved, and only interrupts can actually effectively roll back time and change the reality (the reality being, in this case, that the target was withing melee range). Bottom line, for my own game, I think it's more "fun" for the player if his attack does damage and then the slide takes effect, so that's the way I'd rule. But I can't say I think that's the only way to interpret the RAW. [/QUOTE]
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