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<blockquote data-quote="Mark" data-source="post: 4069852" data-attributes="member: 5">I would begin bringing in some new players and cutting loose the more disrespectful of those in the current group.1.) I would suggest that the players just try to do their best and understand that they are not always going to win.&nbsp; Invite them to retreat if they feel outmatched and let them know that that is sometimes going to be the case.2.) I do not think it is wise to change a rule for only an encounter and believe that consistency is the best policy.&nbsp; It is possible that players will not always know about all modifiers and circumstance, thus not understand just what rules are being brought to bear, but explaining that as the case should solve any protests on that score.3.) I explain in advance what books are fair game for a campaign and stick to that.&nbsp; I had one player who needed to be cut loose due to weekly, constant whining which I put up with for a few months before shifting the campaign and explaining he was no longer going to be a part of it.&nbsp; I may have let it go on too long, in fact.4.) I counter every protest regarding the Us vs. the DM routine by explaing that the player make decisions and I failitate the consequences but if they wish to play versus me in other games, I am happy to make some time and do so.I'm at the game table to have fun as much as any other player and do not feel it is my burden to have to listen to any more protests than fairly gets concerns across, and certainly none of a disrespectul nature.&nbsp; However, if ALL of the players are against you, it may be that you need to find a new group entirely.&nbsp; You are certainly, als, under no obligation to run a game that you do not enjoy running, though you might find this leaves you with few to no opportunities if the game you wish to run is uniquely uninteresting to any other player on the planet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mark, post: 4069852, member: 5"] I would begin bringing in some new players and cutting loose the more disrespectful of those in the current group. 1.) I would suggest that the players just try to do their best and understand that they are not always going to win. Invite them to retreat if they feel outmatched and let them know that that is sometimes going to be the case. 2.) I do not think it is wise to change a rule for only an encounter and believe that consistency is the best policy. It is possible that players will not always know about all modifiers and circumstance, thus not understand just what rules are being brought to bear, but explaining that as the case should solve any protests on that score. 3.) I explain in advance what books are fair game for a campaign and stick to that. I had one player who needed to be cut loose due to weekly, constant whining which I put up with for a few months before shifting the campaign and explaining he was no longer going to be a part of it. I may have let it go on too long, in fact. 4.) I counter every protest regarding the Us vs. the DM routine by explaing that the player make decisions and I failitate the consequences but if they wish to play versus me in other games, I am happy to make some time and do so. I'm at the game table to have fun as much as any other player and do not feel it is my burden to have to listen to any more protests than fairly gets concerns across, and certainly none of a disrespectul nature. However, if ALL of the players are against you, it may be that you need to find a new group entirely. You are certainly, als, under no obligation to run a game that you do not enjoy running, though you might find this leaves you with few to no opportunities if the game you wish to run is uniquely uninteresting to any other player on the planet. [/QUOTE]

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