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<blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8428296" data-attributes="member: 86653"><p>They're mostly fictional positioning more than mechanics. "You can secure an audience with the local nobility" is functionally different than "you gain advantage on X check". The former is fictional positioning, the latter is mechanical. The noble's feature is fictional positioning. The outlander and urchin are mechanical, "double speed while X" and "auto success on Y, provided Z.</p><p></p><p>That bolded bits aren't accurate. </p><p></p><p>"You are welcome in high society, and people <em><strong>assume</strong></em> you have the right to be wherever you are. The <strong><em>common folk</em></strong> make every effort to accommodate you and avoid your displeasure, and other <strong><em>people of high birth treat you as a member of the same social sphere</em></strong>. You <strong><em>can</em></strong> secure an audience with a local noble <strong><em>if you need to</em></strong>."</p><p></p><p>Assumptions can be proven wrong. Guards won't let people pass. Common folk can also really hate nobles, especially if the local nobles are terrible people, which most are. Seeing someone as an equal doesn't mean much beyond not automatically looking down on you. But that's also, generally, what nobles do. Look down on people. If not for birth, then not keeping up with trends and the latest fashion. And getting an audience doesn't mean it will go well.</p><p></p><p>Most people skip over the last part of the outlander feature: "provided that the land offers berries, small game, water, and so forth." So outlander or no, you're not finding food and water where there is none to find. If there's any food to find, you find it. The outlander feature doesn't summon food and water from nothing.</p><p></p><p>There's generally a lot of really terrible assumptions about what the fictional positioning of the background features gets the players. Like if a player of a noble PC assumed that every single commoner in the entire world must treat them with deference simply because of their birth...that player is in for an incredibly nasty surprise. Or the outlander player skipping over that final caveat of the feature...sorry, but no, you don't find food and water where there is none to find.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="overgeeked, post: 8428296, member: 86653"] They're mostly fictional positioning more than mechanics. "You can secure an audience with the local nobility" is functionally different than "you gain advantage on X check". The former is fictional positioning, the latter is mechanical. The noble's feature is fictional positioning. The outlander and urchin are mechanical, "double speed while X" and "auto success on Y, provided Z. That bolded bits aren't accurate. "You are welcome in high society, and people [I][B]assume[/B][/I] you have the right to be wherever you are. The [B][I]common folk[/I][/B] make every effort to accommodate you and avoid your displeasure, and other [B][I]people of high birth treat you as a member of the same social sphere[/I][/B]. You [B][I]can[/I][/B] secure an audience with a local noble [B][I]if you need to[/I][/B]." Assumptions can be proven wrong. Guards won't let people pass. Common folk can also really hate nobles, especially if the local nobles are terrible people, which most are. Seeing someone as an equal doesn't mean much beyond not automatically looking down on you. But that's also, generally, what nobles do. Look down on people. If not for birth, then not keeping up with trends and the latest fashion. And getting an audience doesn't mean it will go well. Most people skip over the last part of the outlander feature: "provided that the land offers berries, small game, water, and so forth." So outlander or no, you're not finding food and water where there is none to find. If there's any food to find, you find it. The outlander feature doesn't summon food and water from nothing. There's generally a lot of really terrible assumptions about what the fictional positioning of the background features gets the players. Like if a player of a noble PC assumed that every single commoner in the entire world must treat them with deference simply because of their birth...that player is in for an incredibly nasty surprise. Or the outlander player skipping over that final caveat of the feature...sorry, but no, you don't find food and water where there is none to find. [/QUOTE]
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