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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8434802" data-attributes="member: 16814">Win Condition 1 -- get to endgameWin Condition 2 -- complete endgame by defeating MasterI see these very clearly, and these are large WCs, because the game it entirely bent towards asking these two questions.WC1 -- complete the major questWC1a -- understand quest objectiveWC1b -- gain sufficient allies to have enough resources to address WC1WC1c -- define conflict for WC1 in a way that's surmountable given WC1a and WC1b.Yup, I see these laying out this way.  WC1 is dependent on the sub conditions being fulfilled to be completed.  Again, major question of play is being addressed here.Oh, clearly.So, this one I like because it's complex and not the direct focus of play like the ones before.  Here I see the Win Con as clearly established up front, with the statement "I won't let my temper get the best of me..."  This seems the question, and hence win condition, of the entire example -- we're seeing if the character wins or the temper wins.  And it goes back and forth.  The character loses this win condition, then loses it again, then, slowly, starts to win it.  It iterates, each new session being another iteration of the win condition, another new test of it.  And, at the end, it's still not fully answered, just that iteration of it is clearly and unambiguously a win -- the character has the best of their temper in that moment.Yup, I see these as clear win conditions.  Nice, again, that these are about overall play, but rather smaller moments in play that address only a part of the entire play for a session.  These smaller goals, and how XP is awarded to them, is a nice example of how different systems encode this kinds of win conditions in ways that are pretty different to D&D.  It also opens up the understanding of how you can get these "wins" at this smaller, iterative resolution and how they build up play and shape it in clear ways.  Ways that are generally opaque in D&D because of how that system operates.Oh, gods, no.  Cults are the worst crews, they're Blades on Hard Mode, and there's no winning at all.  At least, that's what I've been lead to believe.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />/inside jokeYeah, no, especially since I'm aware of some of the particulars of that game (not a player in it, just have some insight into it), that's absolutely a win condition for that game.  Desperately needed, in fact.</blockquote>

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