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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 8434932" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>Absolutely. It seems that based on the few responses that people are mostly okay with such abilities conceptually (with the exception of [USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] ) but that they expect them to be either smaller in scope or perhaps limited in use in some way.</p><p></p><p>We had the previous examples that have come up…the Folk Hero feature and the Ranger’s Natural Explorer ability. So I was thinking of those.</p><p></p><p>But I think spells would also often qualify here. Many fall short of auto-success by allowing a saving throw or similar roll, but many others are not. Many of them grant a player the ability to establish facts about the game that lead to success. As you point out with Wish, though, very often if the ability is deemed too strong, it’s mitigated in some way, or the GM is given wiggle room to somehow subvert or thwart the attempt.</p><p></p><p>It’s interesting to see where folks’ lines are on this.</p><p></p><p>I personally quite like things like Rustic Hospitality and Natural Explorer. I like when the players can just say what their character does, and under the right circumstances, it just happens. They just <s>win </s> succeed.</p><p></p><p>For me, I prefer when they’re rooted in interaction with NPCs and or exploration of the world. That’s probably because I think those two areas of D&D 5E are left mostly to the GM.</p><p></p><p>But your Lolth example is interesting given much of the conversation here in the thread. Let’s say that a Wish spell could erase Lolth from existence. I feel like most folks here would object to that. But why? Hard to imagine what issue they may take if they are also arguing that there’s no end to D&D. So Lolth’s gone….just do more D&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 8434932, member: 6785785"] Absolutely. It seems that based on the few responses that people are mostly okay with such abilities conceptually (with the exception of [USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] ) but that they expect them to be either smaller in scope or perhaps limited in use in some way. We had the previous examples that have come up…the Folk Hero feature and the Ranger’s Natural Explorer ability. So I was thinking of those. But I think spells would also often qualify here. Many fall short of auto-success by allowing a saving throw or similar roll, but many others are not. Many of them grant a player the ability to establish facts about the game that lead to success. As you point out with Wish, though, very often if the ability is deemed too strong, it’s mitigated in some way, or the GM is given wiggle room to somehow subvert or thwart the attempt. It’s interesting to see where folks’ lines are on this. I personally quite like things like Rustic Hospitality and Natural Explorer. I like when the players can just say what their character does, and under the right circumstances, it just happens. They just [S]win [/S] succeed. For me, I prefer when they’re rooted in interaction with NPCs and or exploration of the world. That’s probably because I think those two areas of D&D 5E are left mostly to the GM. But your Lolth example is interesting given much of the conversation here in the thread. Let’s say that a Wish spell could erase Lolth from existence. I feel like most folks here would object to that. But why? Hard to imagine what issue they may take if they are also arguing that there’s no end to D&D. So Lolth’s gone….just do more D&D. [/QUOTE]
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