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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Power_Word_Wedgie" data-source="post: 1596765" data-attributes="member: 16403">All of the above is arguable.However, you forgot one truth: without Gary and Dave, there would have never been DnD.  If the games isn't invented, then the options for things that followed would have never materialized.  Yeah, it's fun to sit back and say, "Well someone else would have developed an RPG game that would have taken off as much as DnD" but at the end of the day it still just speculation.  Two men did it 30 years ago, and they were Arneson and Gygax.  It's like saying the Wright brothers contributions are irrevelant because Howard Hughes would have discovered flight.  Well, Hughes might have discovered it and the Wright brothers might have ran the flight business into the ground if the were the only developers, but at the end of the day it was the Wright brothers that flew down on the sands of Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.*  (* Yes I've heard that there are others that may have developed flight before the Wright brothers.  Feel free to substitute the names of those people for the Wright brothers - the point of my post is not who developed flight but that the developers deserve the brunt of the credit because without their work the optimizers do not have a frame to base their work.)</blockquote>