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<blockquote data-quote="Ourph" data-source="post: 1597179" data-attributes="member: 20239"><p>I'm not an idiot. I did read your post. In fact, if you'll read MY post, I quoted the parts I was responding to. I'll do so again, so that your obfuscation and misrepresentation of what I said can be clearly illustrated.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You clearly said that Gary deserves disrespect for his actions. Condemnation precedes disrespect. I'm just curious to know what exactly you think those actions are. Can you enumerate them, or are you simply speaking from ignorance?</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>What exactly did he do while he was in charge of TSR that is deserving of disrespect. When Gary was forced to leave the company it had strong sales, the fans of D&D numbered in the millions and the company was publishing quality products for those fans. The D&D brand name didn't tank until years after Gary was gone. At that time, the people who drove him from the company were in charge. Gary was forced out of control of TSR several times during his tenure. Each time the company did poorly. Each time Gary was put back in charge it recovered. Please tell us what about that is worthy of disrespect.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then maybe you shouldn't be complaining about that trait in others. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>IIRC, the people you hold up as worthy of respect changed quite a few names when they did <u>their</u> rewrite of Gary's game. If we're going to complain about that particular sin, there's a WHOOOOLE LOT of blame to pass around. As for his opinions on the OGL, Gary was ASKED for his opinion by an interviewer. He gave it. Arrogance is broadcasting your unsolicited opinions in the mistaken notion that people do or should care about them. The fact is, there ARE people who still consider Gary's opinions and thoughts relevant for any number of good reasons, but I've only seen him give them when he's asked.</p><p></p><p>As for the indy products you mention,from his past comments, it's clear that Gary thinks they are of lower quality than products that could be produced by a dedicated, focused licensee or core company and that gamers and the hobby would be better off with other products in place of them. Obviously you disagree. The problem is, your response, Sean K. Reynolds response, lots of people's response is to say that Gary Gygax is "uninformed" about the OGL and independent RPG products. That's a crock! Gary has a different opinion, a different perspective about what makes good gaming material. It's a perspective that I and a lot of other gamers agree with. Dismissing someone's opinion as uninformed just because you disagree with it is intellectual dishonesty and analytical cowardice at its worst.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And some people think that standardizing the RPG industry to a single game system is good for the gaming industry, despite the fact that no one gaming system is going to appeal to every RPG player. In fact, some may loathe that gaming system and refuse to play it, leaving RPGs altogether or buying only OOP products rather than playing a gaming system that they do not find enjoyable. Some people think that a single game system can do justice to every genre and game type. Thinking that a single system industry is beneficial for both players and the hobby is simply wrong -- not maliciously wrong, not foolishly wrong, but the sort of wrong that comes from the self-centered attitude that your opinions, likes and dislikes are the opinions, likes and dislikes of every other intelligent well-meaning RPGer in the hobby.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Funny! Once I got past the shallow familiarity I noticed that everything worked slower and worse, and that neither I nor my players enjoyed the game anymore.</p><p></p><p>Oops! I guess that makes me an outdated dinosaur whose opinions don't matter because I'm "out of touch". I'd better shut up before I destroy the gaming industry. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious :]" data-shortname=":]" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ourph, post: 1597179, member: 20239"] I'm not an idiot. I did read your post. In fact, if you'll read MY post, I quoted the parts I was responding to. I'll do so again, so that your obfuscation and misrepresentation of what I said can be clearly illustrated. You clearly said that Gary deserves disrespect for his actions. Condemnation precedes disrespect. I'm just curious to know what exactly you think those actions are. Can you enumerate them, or are you simply speaking from ignorance? What exactly did he do while he was in charge of TSR that is deserving of disrespect. When Gary was forced to leave the company it had strong sales, the fans of D&D numbered in the millions and the company was publishing quality products for those fans. The D&D brand name didn't tank until years after Gary was gone. At that time, the people who drove him from the company were in charge. Gary was forced out of control of TSR several times during his tenure. Each time the company did poorly. Each time Gary was put back in charge it recovered. Please tell us what about that is worthy of disrespect. Then maybe you shouldn't be complaining about that trait in others. ;) IIRC, the people you hold up as worthy of respect changed quite a few names when they did [U]their[/U] rewrite of Gary's game. If we're going to complain about that particular sin, there's a WHOOOOLE LOT of blame to pass around. As for his opinions on the OGL, Gary was ASKED for his opinion by an interviewer. He gave it. Arrogance is broadcasting your unsolicited opinions in the mistaken notion that people do or should care about them. The fact is, there ARE people who still consider Gary's opinions and thoughts relevant for any number of good reasons, but I've only seen him give them when he's asked. As for the indy products you mention,from his past comments, it's clear that Gary thinks they are of lower quality than products that could be produced by a dedicated, focused licensee or core company and that gamers and the hobby would be better off with other products in place of them. Obviously you disagree. The problem is, your response, Sean K. Reynolds response, lots of people's response is to say that Gary Gygax is "uninformed" about the OGL and independent RPG products. That's a crock! Gary has a different opinion, a different perspective about what makes good gaming material. It's a perspective that I and a lot of other gamers agree with. Dismissing someone's opinion as uninformed just because you disagree with it is intellectual dishonesty and analytical cowardice at its worst. And some people think that standardizing the RPG industry to a single game system is good for the gaming industry, despite the fact that no one gaming system is going to appeal to every RPG player. In fact, some may loathe that gaming system and refuse to play it, leaving RPGs altogether or buying only OOP products rather than playing a gaming system that they do not find enjoyable. Some people think that a single game system can do justice to every genre and game type. Thinking that a single system industry is beneficial for both players and the hobby is simply wrong -- not maliciously wrong, not foolishly wrong, but the sort of wrong that comes from the self-centered attitude that your opinions, likes and dislikes are the opinions, likes and dislikes of every other intelligent well-meaning RPGer in the hobby. Funny! Once I got past the shallow familiarity I noticed that everything worked slower and worse, and that neither I nor my players enjoyed the game anymore. Oops! I guess that makes me an outdated dinosaur whose opinions don't matter because I'm "out of touch". I'd better shut up before I destroy the gaming industry. :] [/QUOTE]
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