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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1525501" data-attributes="member: 6875">Okay, I have looked at the covers of both Complete Warrior and the Player's Handbook.  And yours isn't one of them.  So, your point is ... what, exactly?  :\   ...  I'll tell you what - if you were to pull a rules-lawyering-ly stupid hair-splitting, asinine stunt like that at my table, not only would I shut you down faster than the speed of thought - a second offense would get you disinvited to return the next week.  Or possibly, ever again.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />   Just because the monks unarmed attacks are treated as manufactured weapons for some spells, does NOT mean that they become a magic item for the purposes of the Vow of Poverty.  It's just that simple.  In fact, the Vow of Poverty gives a nearly identical, overlapping benefit ITSELF: Exalted Strike:  By your logic, the moment an ascetic of 4th or higher level swings his allowed simple (read: manufactured) weapon at an enemy, the weapon counts as a magci weapon.  Magic weapons are, obviously, magic items.  Thus, if you ever attack, with ANY weapon, after you reach 4th level ... you void your vow of poverty.  And since you are credited with co-authoring THAT particular book ... that should, by your FURTHER (spurious) logic, be an inarguable conclusion based purely on the text for Vow of Poverty alone.  Except, of course, that violates the entire INTENT of the Vow.  Which means your logic must, of course, be in some way flawed.  Deeply.  ...  So, would you like some SALT to go with that crow?</blockquote>

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