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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1527698" data-attributes="member: 6875">A Kensai, however, could.&nbsp; A Kensai with a longbow as his signature weapon, and a friendly cleric to cast GMW onhis bow, could do exactly that.&nbsp; And what's more, his bow wouldn't count against his wealth totals, either - so he'd still have the FULL compliment of gear, beyond the signature weapon.&nbsp; And then there are Arcane Archers.&nbsp; They don't even need the friendly cleric (their arrows count as up to +5).&nbsp; Nor would it have to be a bow.&nbsp; A sword would work just as admirably for that purpose.</blockquote>#2, an archer with a Vow of Poverty could do that, but he would violate his vow.[/quote]&nbsp; Only if he's a crossbowman.&nbsp; You can't have a non-crossbow archer, and not violate the VoP inherently (shortbows and longbows are, neither of them, simple weapons).&nbsp; Whuch has no bearing ont eh Vow of Poverty; that is an issue with the Kensai itself, and irrelevant to whether or not the Kensai's signature weapon ability inherently voids the Vow of Poverty.&nbsp; The Kensai's signature weapn would be &quot;gear&quot; above and beyond what ANYone could have, for a (mild) XP cost.&nbsp; signature weapon is not a Vow of Poverty benefit, so flexibility or lack thereof is a nonissue.&nbsp; An Ascetic Cleric/Sorceror/Theurge would also be extremely flexible.&nbsp; Should flexibility of abilities be added to the list of things that void the Vow of Poverty,now ... ?&nbsp; Again, that is an issue with the Kensai, not withthe Vow of Poverty.&nbsp; Those abilities will be equally valuable, from a game mechanics standpoint, wether the Monk/Kensai takes the Vow of Poverty, or hoards wealth in a manner to impress even the most jaded True Dragon.&nbsp; *shrug*&nbsp; As can Ki Strike (lawful), actually - the spell is called align weapon.&nbsp; Metalline, actually, doesn't work for nonmetal weapons.&nbsp; It allows weapons to transform from one kind of metal, to anotehr.&nbsp; Last I checked, &quot;flesh&quot; wasn't a type of metal.&nbsp; So unless the monk/kensai in question is a half-iron-golem, that ability would be an ineffectual choice for an unarmed Kensai.&nbsp; And you appear to have missed my own note - that I owuld count the +5 enhancement from the Exalted Strike ability against the Kensai's +10 limit.&nbsp; I'd probably allow the character to take +1 worth of non-enhancement abilities per two Kensai levels (round down), if they had the Vow of Poverty.&nbsp; But only for the cost of the +1 to +5 of abilities they were actually getting - they wouldn't have to pay for the Exalted Strike enhancement bonus twice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Pax, post: 1527698, member: 6875"] A Kensai, however, could. A Kensai with a longbow as his signature weapon, and a friendly cleric to cast GMW onhis bow, could do [b]exactly[/b] that. And what's more, his bow wouldn't count against his wealth totals, either - so he'd still have the FULL compliment of gear, [b]beyond[/b] the signature weapon. And then there are Arcane Archers. They don't even need the friendly cleric (their arrows count as up to +5). Nor would it have to be a bow. A sword would work just as admirably for that purpose. [/quote] #2, an archer with a Vow of Poverty could do that, but he would violate his vow. [/quote] Only if he's a crossbowman. You can't have a non-crossbow [b]archer[/b], and not violate the VoP inherently (shortbows and longbows are, neither of them, [b]simple[/b] weapons). Whuch has no bearing ont eh Vow of Poverty; that is an issue with the Kensai itself, and irrelevant to whether or not the Kensai's [i]signature weapon[/i] ability inherently voids the Vow of Poverty. The Kensai's [i]signature weapn[/i] would be "gear" above and beyond what ANYone could have, for a (mild) XP cost. [i]signature weapon[/i] is not a Vow of Poverty benefit, so flexibility or lack thereof is a nonissue. An Ascetic Cleric/Sorceror/Theurge would also be extremely flexible. Should [b]flexibility of abilities[/b] be added to the list of things that void the Vow of Poverty,now ... ? Again, that is an issue with the Kensai, not withthe Vow of Poverty. Those abilities will be equally valuable, from a game mechanics standpoint, wether the Monk/Kensai takes the Vow of Poverty, or hoards wealth in a manner to impress even the most jaded True Dragon. *shrug* As can Ki Strike (lawful), actually - the spell is called [i]align weapon[/i]. Metalline, actually, doesn't work for nonmetal weapons. It allows weapons to transform [b]from[/b] one kind of metal, to anotehr. Last I checked, "flesh" wasn't a type of metal. So unless the monk/kensai in question is a half-iron-golem, that ability would be an ineffectual choice for an unarmed Kensai. And you appear to have missed my own note - that I owuld count the +5 enhancement from the Exalted Strike ability [b]against the Kensai's +10 limit[/b]. I'd probably allow the character to take +1 worth of non-enhancement abilities per [b]two[/b] Kensai levels (round down), if they had the Vow of Poverty. But only for the cost of the +1 to +5 of abilities they were actually getting - they wouldn't have to pay for the Exalted Strike enhancement bonus [b]twice[/b]. [/QUOTE]

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