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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 1527992" data-attributes="member: 743">Right, so what bearing do archers and their arrows have on a discussion about the Vow of Poverty? You can have a crossbowman with VoP, and with Rapid Reload he would be a viable character. But he couldn't enhance his crossbow, with or without being a Kensai.Why should a monk / kensai be able to amass more power than an archer / kensai, or quuterstaff using kensai? The same of course would apply to a druid with VoP enhancing his wildshape natrual weapons, or a half-dragon, or any of the other many possibiliities besides just the monk. All it does is make one of the best fits for VoP even better. Right again. You'll note I never tried to tie it to Vow of Poverty. It was quite obviously a direct reply to Deset Gled's post about the things that a monk gains when becoming a Kensai.They are even more valuable to a VoP monk, who must otherwise expect to be eaten alive by DR.Right again. Looks like you're on a roll. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I was pointing out reasons that a monk won't mind losing Ki Strike (Adamantine) when he takes levels of Kensai. What's your point?So you too think that Kensai + VoP is unbalanced and are seeking an alternative? Cool. Your version is apparently farther from the designer's view of how the VoP should work than mine is, but if it works for your games, that's all that matters.I had missed that bit about Metalline weapons (that's what happens when I post from work). Butthat just means that a VoP monk is really hampered by DR. IIRC Kensai would at least allow him to get around DR x/silver (with the True Silver enhancement from Ghostwalk).Krafen: The spell is called Touch of Adamantine. It is in the Book of Exalted Deeds. It overrides the weapon's material qualities with those of admantine for the duration.</blockquote>

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