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<blockquote data-quote="SDOgre" data-source="post: 4356579" data-attributes="member: 67344">What I think people are missing is that D&amp;D is a fantasy game.&nbsp; Magic items are... well... MAGIC!&nbsp; Magic is supposed to be mysterious, surprising, exciting...What's mysterious about a list of weapons to choose from.. or God forbid, to make a wish list from and give to your DM.&nbsp; Holy crap.This isn't Shadowrun where you buy books full of cool gear you can buy.&nbsp; Magic items are supposed to be special, rare, mysterious, exciting to get and figure out what they do.4E PHB killed that.I've always listened to my players and tried to insert items they wanted or liked.&nbsp; But now they're going to be disappointed if they don't get exactly what they want sooner or later.And don't give me the &quot;Do what you want with your campaign&quot; crap.&nbsp; I know I can do whatever I want with my campaign.&nbsp; But I can't erase that list from the PHB.I really like 4E overall.&nbsp; Lots of improvements.&nbsp; Lots of things I'm still holding judgment out on.&nbsp; But putting that list in the PHB just made a huge paradigm switch in the game.&nbsp; It made it very different.And in this case, different is not good.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SDOgre, post: 4356579, member: 67344"] What I think people are missing is that D&D is a fantasy game. Magic items are... well... [I]MAGIC![/I] Magic is supposed to be mysterious, surprising, exciting... What's mysterious about a list of weapons to choose from.. or God forbid, to make a wish list from and give to your DM. Holy crap. This isn't Shadowrun where you buy books full of cool gear you can buy. Magic items are supposed to be special, rare, mysterious, exciting to get and figure out what they do. 4E PHB killed that. I've always listened to my players and tried to insert items they wanted or liked. But now they're going to be disappointed if they don't get exactly what they want sooner or later. And don't give me the "Do what you want with your campaign" crap. I know I can do whatever I want with my campaign. But I can't erase that list from the PHB. I really like 4E overall. Lots of improvements. Lots of things I'm still holding judgment out on. But putting that list in the PHB just made a huge paradigm switch in the game. It made it very different. And in this case, different is not good. [/QUOTE]

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