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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 1864008" data-attributes="member: 892">That seems like a Plantonic take on the spells, where the Study Target was to get the &quot;abstract&quot; template of the relevant animal/creature, and the Conjure spells &quot;reprint&quot; from that abstract template.&nbsp; Items, being creations of people, would not have these timeless abstract forms, so a Study Target would simply give one a picture of the thing itself, which could be duplicated later.&nbsp; It is an interesting idea, metaphysically speaking.(By the way, this would argue against &quot;creatures&quot; like gryhpons, giant rats, etc. being magical creations of earlier mages (which was given as one possible reason why &quot;Creatures&quot; are different from &quot;Animals&quot;), since if creatures are created by mages at some point in history, then they would not have timeless abstract templates to copy, but would be more like items.&nbsp; Thus adding another weight on the side of the scale that says that Conjure Animal and Conjure Creature should be merged).As for you ruling that intelligent races not being conjurable by the spell Conjure Creature...I thought you said in this thread that, in one of your game worlds at least, gryphons *were* intelligent (and thus might object to being mounts).&nbsp; If they (or at least a &quot;average mindless version&quot; of them) can be created with Conjure Creature, why not an &quot;average mindless version&quot; of an elf, or human?&nbsp; I mean, it could be all translucent and stuff, so no one would mistake it for a *real* elf or human, but there might be times when it is handy to have a disposible biped (to try on potentially dangerous helmets, for example).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 1864008, member: 892"] That seems like a Plantonic take on the spells, where the Study Target was to get the "abstract" template of the relevant animal/creature, and the Conjure spells "reprint" from that abstract template. Items, being creations of people, would not have these timeless abstract forms, so a Study Target would simply give one a picture of the thing itself, which could be duplicated later. It is an interesting idea, metaphysically speaking. (By the way, this would argue against "creatures" like gryhpons, giant rats, etc. being magical creations of earlier mages (which was given as one possible reason why "Creatures" are different from "Animals"), since if creatures are created by mages at some point in history, then they would not have timeless abstract templates to copy, but would be more like items. Thus adding another weight on the side of the scale that says that Conjure Animal and Conjure Creature should be merged). As for you ruling that intelligent races not being conjurable by the spell Conjure Creature...I thought you said in this thread that, in one of your game worlds at least, gryphons *were* intelligent (and thus might object to being mounts). If they (or at least a "average mindless version" of them) can be created with Conjure Creature, why not an "average mindless version" of an elf, or human? I mean, it could be all translucent and stuff, so no one would mistake it for a *real* elf or human, but there might be times when it is handy to have a disposible biped (to try on potentially dangerous helmets, for example). [/QUOTE]

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