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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shoak1" data-source="post: 7167696" data-attributes="member: 54380">And here is why it seems impossible to help you and many of you others on these forums understand why large segments of people have always and continue to play D and D in a fundamentally different way than you:1)  You steadfastly refuse such a fundamentally obvious point as people preferring to play games without referees:Not seeing that gamers in general naturally eschew referees precludes you from being able to see WHY they don't - they don't like referees because they don't like someone (lets call him "Big DM") adjudicating their actions.  Because you can't see THAT, you don't have an appreciation for the many D and D players who desire to minimize his in-game involvement (lets call this kind of DM "DM Light").2)  You narrowly see an RPG focused on improvisation and roleplaying (lets call this "Big Story").  You rope yourself off in RPG Label Land (ignoring most of D and D's history) using labels and rhetoric and call those trying to get the full traditional D and D experience out of the game (an experience that includes balance and a significant tactical challenge - aka "Big Challenge") as guys trying to "twist" D and D into a video/wargame.  3)  You use Big DM and Big Story's dominance in these forums as a bully club to stifle, trivialize, and belittle opposition to Big DM and Big Story: 3)  And then in the end you flip the whole thing around and say I am the one who is demeaning other playstyles...OK, then, if I'm gonna do the time, may as well have fun doing the crime, here goes:"OMG that guy in the quote was just soooo ridiculous right ?!?!?""Balance, oh that's nothing to be worried about - Big DM can just wave his wand and change everything anyway.  Besides, remember you are playing an RPG and that means you should be focused on Big Story not Big Challenge - if you want Big Challenge go play a wargame silly!"</blockquote>

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