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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7179240" data-attributes="member: 29398">... that any area effect damage reasonably scaled to level might put you down even on a made save, never mind a failed one.Simple math - wizard gain d4 h.p. per level until 11th or so, after which it's a flat 1 h.p. per level if memory serves.  Yet fireballs, lightning bolts, and the like just keep tacking on d6/level for every level of the caster.So a MU-18 will have, on average, (2.5 x 11) 28 + (1 x 7) 7 = 35 h.p.  An 18-dice blast will average (3.5 x 18) 63 points of damage; save for half gives 31 or 32 depending how a table handles rounding, and that takes a big chunk out of 35.  If the MU has already been hurt by something, or if the damage roll is a bit above average, wizard needs help badly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Some of the limits were like that.  Others were more elegant, I point again to interruptions. Yeah, we only ever really worried about components that had a listed price in the spell write-up e.g. the 100 g.p. pearl for Identify, unless for some reason a wizard had been stripped of possessions.  The 3e idea of the components pouch for non-costed components is good for this...until the pouch gets destroyed... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I believe it's in there somewhere, but hard both to find and to understand.  What really messes it up is that while most things run on a 6-segment round spellcasting uses a 10-segment round, which either means casting uses longer rounds or the timing is all thrown off.[sblock="Initiative discussion"]What I did first was convert all the 10-segment casting times into their nearest 6-segment equivalents, to synch up the round and segment lengths and clear up that mess.We re-roll individually each round anyway, and everything happens segment-by-segment.  So, if your initiative is 2 to start a 3-segment spell you'll resolve on 5 of next round, and roll d4 for that round's initiative.Staunch 1e defender that I am in other ways, I'm in full agreement with you here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  We came up with our own system ages ago, some of which I've noted here, and it seems to work well enough about 99% of the time. [/sblock]Lanefan</blockquote>

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