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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7180454" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>I understand your point about the narrative sense, but for me it seems overstated. Partly because you're coming at this with one fixed fiction in mind and we don't need to accept that fiction. We can adopt a fiction in which a mage can weave multiple spell threads at at time. Say I'm Hallow-ing (1 hour cast time) a haunted church and a ghost takes a swipe at me. Holding the threads of Hallow in one metaphorical hand I fling up a Shield with my Reaction.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It satisfies me, ergo not "<em>thoroughly</em>" unsatisfactory <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Timing and sequencing are complicated in games and troubling humans to manage them shouldn't be our default.</p><p></p><p></p><p>When I'm Hallow-ing that church, I'm using my action in each of my turns for an <em>hour</em> to do so. It feels natural to me to be able to do other stuff, like cast Counterspell at the Necromancer when she tries to break my Hallow with her Counterspell.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's a reasonable assumption based on the history of the game, but mechanically no longer true in 5e. Also, it points to a contradiction in the narrative sense you want to propose. Say it is round 4 and I am Concentrating to maintain the Bless I cast in round 1. Can I cast Healing Word? If I can, you now have two kinds of concentrating - <em>concentrating to cast</em> a spell which blocks casting other spells, and <em>concentrating to maintain</em> a spell which does not. I do not see the value in that added complexity. Or you say that if I am Concentrating on Bless I cannot cast anything else. That greatly ups the price of the Concentration tag on a spell, or changes your narrative to envision more than one kind of concentrating.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This adds complexity. For example let's look at Shield. As a Wizard I am engaged by an Orc. I want to use my Move to back off so that I can cast Scorching Ray without disadvantage. Also, I dislike being this close to an Orc! My intent is to cast Shield when I trigger the AoO from the Orc. Can I cast Shield while moving? Keeping that question in mind, say I break up my movement so that I move 15' then cast Scorching Ray and then move a further 15'. That's my turn finished. Let's say I didn't end up casting Shield because the Orc missed anyway. Later in that same round, an Eye of Gruumsh casts a Command on our 8 Wisdom Fighter that I need to Counterspell. I'm no longer casting Scorching Ray, right? And I still have my reaction. So can I Counterspell that Command?</p><p></p><p>The RAW resolves all this in a simple way. Have I used my Reaction this round? No! Great - cast Counterspell. That's far simpler than, Have I used my Reaction this round? No? Branch to Am I still in my turn? Yes? Branch to Am I casting another spell? etc? And what about if I'm not casting but I used my action to trigger my Wand of Magic Missiles? Still no Counterspell? Or attack with a staff? Counterspell is okay?</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Lan-"<em>undoing the good work of a generation of game designers</em>"-efan <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7180454, member: 71699"] I understand your point about the narrative sense, but for me it seems overstated. Partly because you're coming at this with one fixed fiction in mind and we don't need to accept that fiction. We can adopt a fiction in which a mage can weave multiple spell threads at at time. Say I'm Hallow-ing (1 hour cast time) a haunted church and a ghost takes a swipe at me. Holding the threads of Hallow in one metaphorical hand I fling up a Shield with my Reaction. It satisfies me, ergo not "[I]thoroughly[/I]" unsatisfactory ;) Timing and sequencing are complicated in games and troubling humans to manage them shouldn't be our default. When I'm Hallow-ing that church, I'm using my action in each of my turns for an [I]hour[/I] to do so. It feels natural to me to be able to do other stuff, like cast Counterspell at the Necromancer when she tries to break my Hallow with her Counterspell. It's a reasonable assumption based on the history of the game, but mechanically no longer true in 5e. Also, it points to a contradiction in the narrative sense you want to propose. Say it is round 4 and I am Concentrating to maintain the Bless I cast in round 1. Can I cast Healing Word? If I can, you now have two kinds of concentrating - [I]concentrating to cast[/I] a spell which blocks casting other spells, and [I]concentrating to maintain[/I] a spell which does not. I do not see the value in that added complexity. Or you say that if I am Concentrating on Bless I cannot cast anything else. That greatly ups the price of the Concentration tag on a spell, or changes your narrative to envision more than one kind of concentrating. This adds complexity. For example let's look at Shield. As a Wizard I am engaged by an Orc. I want to use my Move to back off so that I can cast Scorching Ray without disadvantage. Also, I dislike being this close to an Orc! My intent is to cast Shield when I trigger the AoO from the Orc. Can I cast Shield while moving? Keeping that question in mind, say I break up my movement so that I move 15' then cast Scorching Ray and then move a further 15'. That's my turn finished. Let's say I didn't end up casting Shield because the Orc missed anyway. Later in that same round, an Eye of Gruumsh casts a Command on our 8 Wisdom Fighter that I need to Counterspell. I'm no longer casting Scorching Ray, right? And I still have my reaction. So can I Counterspell that Command? The RAW resolves all this in a simple way. Have I used my Reaction this round? No! Great - cast Counterspell. That's far simpler than, Have I used my Reaction this round? No? Branch to Am I still in my turn? Yes? Branch to Am I casting another spell? etc? And what about if I'm not casting but I used my action to trigger my Wand of Magic Missiles? Still no Counterspell? Or attack with a staff? Counterspell is okay? Lan-"[I]undoing the good work of a generation of game designers[/I]"-efan :p [/QUOTE]
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