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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5472438" data-attributes="member: 46713">That's not how it usually happens, though:The rules-savvy players will try to first budge the boulder in the order of increasing strength, then start aiding the strongest until it budges.Saying that the boulder cannot be budged after the first botched attempt might work - but that depends on why the boulder is there in the first place:Is it covering the one and only entrance to the dungeon that the party needs to investigate under severe time pressure? Or is it sitting at the edge of a cliff overlooking a well-travelled road?Of course the former case is essentially a sign of bad adventure design: There should never be only one way to move on.Anyway, I wonder what happened to the 3e skill descriptions? Every skill had an entry detailing whether retries were allowed, whether you could take 10 or take 20, etc.</blockquote>