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<blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 4541684" data-attributes="member: 48135">Yes, many feats have prerequisites. If you don't have a +14 BAB or whatever, you can't take that feat. They're certainly not as restrictive as 4E powers, but they are restrictive.That's right, you (usually) don't get a choice. How is that not 3E &quot;telling you how to play the game right&quot; as you said 4E does? How does having more choice in some respect mean it's &quot;telling you how to play the game right&quot;?I just think it was a throw-away anti-4E comment which didn't add anything to the discussion.So you can pick a feat whenever you like? You don't have to wait until 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th, 15th and 18th levels like the rules say you do?&nbsp;And character level. If you're not gaining a certain character level, you can't pick a feat at all. (Other than bonus feats, but then you only get those at certain class levels.) You certainly have more selection, but to claim that feat acquisition is not arbitrary at all is a bit silly.&nbsp;I didn't disagree with that part of your post. I was calling you on an indefensible anti-4E comment that didn't add anything to the discussion.&nbsp;No, Toughness has no prerequsisites. But that's a cherry-picked example. Greater Weapon Specialization, on the other hand, has the following prerequisites: Proficiency with weapon, Greater Weapon Focus with weapon, Weapon Focus with weapon, Weapon Specialization with weapon, fighter level 12th. &quot;Fighter level 12th&quot; is a pretty restrictive requirement. Not all feats have such requirements, but many do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fifth Element, post: 4541684, member: 48135"] Yes, many feats have prerequisites. If you don't have a +14 BAB or whatever, you can't take that feat. They're certainly not as restrictive as 4E powers, but they are restrictive. That's right, you (usually) don't get a choice. How is that not 3E "telling you how to play the game right" as you said 4E does? How does having more choice in some respect mean it's "telling you how to play the game right"? I just think it was a throw-away anti-4E comment which didn't add anything to the discussion. So you can pick a feat whenever you like? You don't have to wait until 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th, 15th and 18th levels like the rules say you do? And character level. If you're not gaining a certain character level, you can't pick a feat at all. (Other than bonus feats, but then you only get those at certain class levels.) You certainly have more selection, but to claim that feat acquisition is not arbitrary at all is a bit silly. I didn't disagree with that part of your post. I was calling you on an indefensible anti-4E comment that didn't add anything to the discussion. No, Toughness has no prerequsisites. But that's a cherry-picked example. Greater Weapon Specialization, on the other hand, has the following prerequisites: Proficiency with weapon, Greater Weapon Focus with weapon, Weapon Focus with weapon, Weapon Specialization with weapon, fighter level 12th. "Fighter level 12th" is a pretty restrictive requirement. Not all feats have such requirements, but many do. [/QUOTE]

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