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<blockquote data-quote="mamba" data-source="post: 9020421" data-attributes="member: 7034611">I fail to see how you criticizing it is valid and them criticizing is not. You both want to change the game so it better suits your preferences, they want it grittier and you less so, neither is more correct than the other.The ‘denying what it is’ and ‘thinking about what it ought to be’ is also subjective. We can both start at the same point for what it is and yet disagree on what it ‘ought’ to be. I don’t see your suggestion making it ‘more’ D&amp;D and theirs ‘less’ so.If anything 4e tried something like what you suggested and was rejected while 1e/2e is more what they suggested and was embraced, with a strong undercurrent in that direction even todayreferring back to points you made is perfectly valid in a discussion, and not making it personal (or trying to argue for the sake of arguing). If the mods feel differently, then I can live with that</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mamba, post: 9020421, member: 7034611"] I fail to see how you criticizing it is valid and them criticizing is not. You both want to change the game so it better suits your preferences, they want it grittier and you less so, neither is more correct than the other. The ‘denying what it is’ and ‘thinking about what it ought to be’ is also subjective. We can both start at the same point for what it is and yet disagree on what it ‘ought’ to be. I don’t see your suggestion making it ‘more’ D&D and theirs ‘less’ so. If anything 4e tried something like what you suggested and was rejected while 1e/2e is more what they suggested and was embraced, with a strong undercurrent in that direction even today referring back to points you made is perfectly valid in a discussion, and not making it personal (or trying to argue for the sake of arguing). If the mods feel differently, then I can live with that [/QUOTE]

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