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retaliation feats: Riposte, Robilar's Gambit, & Karmic Strike
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<blockquote data-quote="aboyd" data-source="post: 4924710" data-attributes="member: 44797"><p>Thank you all for your replies. They have been helpful!</p><p></p><p>My thought on AC below zero is that it's fine, but I have no idea what the RAW says.</p><p></p><p>I have another problem with these feats. I would love more feedback.</p><p></p><p>The Robilar's Gambit feat takes pains to say that the AOO comes <em>after</em> the strike, because normally an AOO interrupts the order and comes beforehand. The writers obviously wanted to prevent someone using this strike during a killing blow. If you're hit and go unconscious, you shouldn't somehow sit up and get in one last shot. So in such a case, you'd go unconscious, you'd ask the DM to use your feat, and he'd say, "Sorry, your AOO goes after, and you're unconscious now. You can't use it."</p><p></p><p>Good so far?</p><p></p><p>OK. Karmic Strike has none of that text. So you get hit and <em>it may be a killing blow</em> but without the special text changing the AOO to go after the condition that triggers it, you'll get your retaliatory strike in <em>before</em> the killing strike, and thus may <em>prevent</em> the killing strike by killing the enemy <em>first,</em> which thus prevents your feat from qualifying, which thus means you couldn't possibly have dealt that blow, which causes a paradox and the whole universe implodes in circular dependencies.</p><p></p><p>What do you all think?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aboyd, post: 4924710, member: 44797"] Thank you all for your replies. They have been helpful! My thought on AC below zero is that it's fine, but I have no idea what the RAW says. I have another problem with these feats. I would love more feedback. The Robilar's Gambit feat takes pains to say that the AOO comes [i]after[/i] the strike, because normally an AOO interrupts the order and comes beforehand. The writers obviously wanted to prevent someone using this strike during a killing blow. If you're hit and go unconscious, you shouldn't somehow sit up and get in one last shot. So in such a case, you'd go unconscious, you'd ask the DM to use your feat, and he'd say, "Sorry, your AOO goes after, and you're unconscious now. You can't use it." Good so far? OK. Karmic Strike has none of that text. So you get hit and [i]it may be a killing blow[/i] but without the special text changing the AOO to go after the condition that triggers it, you'll get your retaliatory strike in [i]before[/i] the killing strike, and thus may [i]prevent[/i] the killing strike by killing the enemy [i]first,[/i] which thus prevents your feat from qualifying, which thus means you couldn't possibly have dealt that blow, which causes a paradox and the whole universe implodes in circular dependencies. What do you all think? [/QUOTE]
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