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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mouseferatu" data-source="post: 5170144" data-attributes="member: 1288">But that's an assumption that came to the game later, and exactly the assumption that I'm saying should not have been made. It was, in fact, very much a part of what humanized the fiends in the first place.Yes, obviously there's source material that contradicts what I'm saying; otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. My point is that the source material that puts the mortals at the center of everything (which both predates and postdates the interpretations that don't) is, IMO, the better/more interesting/more mythically archetypal one.And yes, other planes predate the mortal world. They would have to. But it's the mortal world that (again, IMO and in my preferred source material) gives them any real purpose for existing.</blockquote>