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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mouseferatu" data-source="post: 5170491" data-attributes="member: 1288">Oryan, don't take this personally, but...I really wish people would stop doing this. This is the second or third time in this thread that someone has brought up hack-n-slash/combat-only vs. RP/world-building-and-storytelling, and while I don't think it's necessary deliberate, it's a little dismissive. I'm not advocating for monsters that are good only for rolling dice without any deeper potential, and I'd like for people to stop assuming that I am.First, you're taking something I said and extrapolating beyond what I meant. I didn't say fiends have no cares/emotions/pleasures. I said they don't have all the ones mortals do. They (at least some of them) are absolutely capable of lust or racial hatred. They're absolutely capable of greed, ambition, or pride. What they are not capable of is love, or true affection, or sympathy. Some might want territory as part of their schemes, most probably want power over other fiends--but (again, IMO), it's all ultimately about putting them in a better position to spread misery and death among mortals, corrupt and collect souls, and the like.And yes, they enjoy doing it. Yes, they enjoy their schemes and their plots and their triumphs. Again, they're not emotionless; if anything, the emotions they do have are more extreme than mortals' are; they just don't have as many, and they're driven by an intrinsic evil nature.Does it make sense to the mortal mind that they might care so much about corrupting mortals but not about other things? No; that's the point.As far as that making them boring or "cardboard"--I guess we've reached the point where it's purely a matter of perspective and we're not going to convince each other. I've found that, by playing with the methods and the lesser motivations of fiends--do they corrupt via lust vs. pride vs. ambition; do they focus on mortals directly vs. trying to gain more power in Hell so they can send minions to focus on mortals; do they prefer more straightforward temptations vs. intricate plots that take decades but topple nations--I can get a more than satisfying amount of variation and depth out of them.If that doesn't work for you, cool. Humanize the fiends to your heart's content. They're just not the fiends that I personally prefer in my games. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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