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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8693477" data-attributes="member: 4937">Good for you.&nbsp; I'm glad we are now clear on that because it ends the discussion in a place where everyone understands everyone and we can just agree to disagree.I know people who are morally opposed to having demons and devils even in the context of game.&nbsp; The correct behavior for those people is to not play in games with demons and devils.&nbsp; I know also of people who are morally opposed to having magic even in the context of a game.&nbsp; The correct behavior for those people are to not play Dungeons and Dragons.&nbsp; Those people should probably not show up on EnWorld and tell everyone how bad D&amp;D because of demons or magic unless someone asks about it and shows actual curiosity in the subject.Oh, no, absolutely it is.&nbsp; There is a very close relationships between statements like &quot;Drunkness is a sin&quot; and &quot;Drinking is not good for you&quot;, with the only real difference being that &quot;for you&quot; specifies why.&nbsp; When it reaches the level of Drunkness we probably wouldn't need to limit that to &quot;for you&quot; as others would be effected as well.There is from my perspective basically no difference between the two statements except one is trying to be gentler than the other (for better or worse).&nbsp; But they mean exactly the same thing.So let me sum up and I'll not bother you again in this thread.&nbsp; You seem in the real world to have a set of beliefs that would be strongly Chaotic Neutral in my D&amp;D campaign.&nbsp; That is you seem to believe that all morality is personal, that each person should decide for themselves how to best act in a moral fashion, that the meaning of life to the extent that it has meaning is found in self-actualization and seeking ones goals and happiness, and that all the evils of the world ultimately result from other people not minding their own business and telling people what to do.&nbsp; To the Chaotic Neutral, the good in life is doing what you want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.&nbsp; To the Chaotic Neutral, authority and ideologies are the source of the evils in the world, &quot;All wars are caused by religion&quot; sort of thing.&nbsp; And that's fine.&nbsp; It's a common set of beliefs in the modern culture.But what you are doing here being angry and passive aggressive and snarky about the existence of alignment while posting on EnWorld is therefore not really any different than someone who sees a discussion about demons getting up in everyone's face whenever the topic comes up.&nbsp; You are in fact the one proselytizing your moral position that even in a game no one should be judged by someone else for their morality.&nbsp; And some of us also aren't really interested in being proselytize too, least of all by someone who does it by being insulting continually.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8693477, member: 4937"] Good for you. I'm glad we are now clear on that because it ends the discussion in a place where everyone understands everyone and we can just agree to disagree. I know people who are morally opposed to having demons and devils even in the context of game. The correct behavior for those people is to not play in games with demons and devils. I know also of people who are morally opposed to having magic even in the context of a game. The correct behavior for those people are to not play Dungeons and Dragons. Those people should probably not show up on EnWorld and tell everyone how bad D&D because of demons or magic unless someone asks about it and shows actual curiosity in the subject. Oh, no, absolutely it is. There is a very close relationships between statements like "Drunkness is a sin" and "Drinking is not good for you", with the only real difference being that "for you" specifies why. When it reaches the level of Drunkness we probably wouldn't need to limit that to "for you" as others would be effected as well. There is from my perspective basically no difference between the two statements except one is trying to be gentler than the other (for better or worse). But they mean exactly the same thing. So let me sum up and I'll not bother you again in this thread. You seem in the real world to have a set of beliefs that would be strongly Chaotic Neutral in my D&D campaign. That is you seem to believe that all morality is personal, that each person should decide for themselves how to best act in a moral fashion, that the meaning of life to the extent that it has meaning is found in self-actualization and seeking ones goals and happiness, and that all the evils of the world ultimately result from other people not minding their own business and telling people what to do. To the Chaotic Neutral, the good in life is doing what you want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. To the Chaotic Neutral, authority and ideologies are the source of the evils in the world, "All wars are caused by religion" sort of thing. And that's fine. It's a common set of beliefs in the modern culture. But what you are doing here being angry and passive aggressive and snarky about the existence of alignment while posting on EnWorld is therefore not really any different than someone who sees a discussion about demons getting up in everyone's face whenever the topic comes up. You are in fact the one proselytizing your moral position that even in a game no one should be judged by someone else for their morality. And some of us also aren't really interested in being proselytize too, least of all by someone who does it by being insulting continually. [/QUOTE]

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