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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6494852" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>If I were undertaking a more radical overhaul, I would redesign the ability scores as "archetype scores." The idea would be that instead of having each score represent a single defined trait, the score represents how well you match a general archetype:</p><p></p><p><strong>Prowess:</strong> The high-Prowess archetype is an athlete or warrior: Tough, strong, skilled with all forms of weapons.</p><p><strong>Edge:</strong> The high-Edge archetype is a scout or assassin: Agile, stealthy, alert, skilled with light and ranged weapons.</p><p><strong>Lore:</strong> The high-Lore archetype is a sage or wizard: Learned, strong-willed, intelligent, good at dealing with magic.</p><p><strong>Charisma:</strong> The high-Charisma archetype is a "face" or spy: Engaging, compelling, articulate, attuned to social nuances.</p><p></p><p>It would be routine for checks and saves to give you multiple options for which archetype score to use. For example:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attacking with a bow: Choose Prowess or Edge.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Seeing through an illusion: Choose Edge or Lore.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Climbing a rock wall: Choose Prowess or Edge.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sensing when someone is lying: Choose Edge or Charisma.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Resisting a death spell: Choose Prowess or Lore.</li> </ul><p>The idea would be to break the tight definitions of ability scores and allow a lot more fluidity in how PCs are defined, while also making the system more newbie-friendly. It would mean sacrificing some granularity, but I don't think that would make much difference in practice. Granularity in RPG design is hugely overrated IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 6494852, member: 58197"] If I were undertaking a more radical overhaul, I would redesign the ability scores as "archetype scores." The idea would be that instead of having each score represent a single defined trait, the score represents how well you match a general archetype: [B]Prowess:[/B] The high-Prowess archetype is an athlete or warrior: Tough, strong, skilled with all forms of weapons. [B]Edge:[/B] The high-Edge archetype is a scout or assassin: Agile, stealthy, alert, skilled with light and ranged weapons. [B]Lore:[/B] The high-Lore archetype is a sage or wizard: Learned, strong-willed, intelligent, good at dealing with magic. [B]Charisma:[/B] The high-Charisma archetype is a "face" or spy: Engaging, compelling, articulate, attuned to social nuances. It would be routine for checks and saves to give you multiple options for which archetype score to use. For example: [LIST] [*]Attacking with a bow: Choose Prowess or Edge. [*]Seeing through an illusion: Choose Edge or Lore. [*]Climbing a rock wall: Choose Prowess or Edge. [*]Sensing when someone is lying: Choose Edge or Charisma. [*]Resisting a death spell: Choose Prowess or Lore. [/LIST] The idea would be to break the tight definitions of ability scores and allow a lot more fluidity in how PCs are defined, while also making the system more newbie-friendly. It would mean sacrificing some granularity, but I don't think that would make much difference in practice. Granularity in RPG design is hugely overrated IMO. [/QUOTE]
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