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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5910749" data-attributes="member: 22424">Exactly.If I were in charge, I would omit them from the Core Rulebook, but have them immediately available via a Web Enhancement. Then make sure they got into print at the earliest opportunity.I wish that were practical! If they could get some sort of "create your own"/"print on demand" system going, that would be the ideal solution. As it is...Aye. I didn't say it would be easy. Cutting down to that point would definitely hurt - and they'd have to put out the first round of supplements pretty quickly.There's a calculation to be done: How many people will be angry to the point of not buying versus how many people will be put off by a 1,000 page set of core rules?My take on the current situation is that many of the lapsed players are now just gone - that the new Red Box was always doomed to fail at recapturing people in large numbers, and that their current efforts to "unify the editions" are likewise going to fail. If this is correct (which is a huge 'if'), then they're better placed constructing a game that has the maximum chance of drawing in new players - and that advocates an easy-to-learn ruleset, and a slimmed down core.Conversely, if their calculation is correct, and there are huge numbers of ex-D&D customers just yearning to "come home", then their best approach is to try to build the game to be as inclusive as possible. And that means producing a 1,000 page ruleset, including as much as is humanly possible.There's a whole lot of stuff here that I don't disagree with - I'm just making the calculation differently.The Warhammer Fantasy Battles starter box appears to have an RRP of $99, and it appears to do okay. That was, essentially, the model that I was going for.WotC have a bad habit of doing their Starter Sets "on the cheap" - they throw a bunch of cheap components together in a box, slap a low low price on it, and call it done.The resulting Starter Sets have been extremely poor. But, what's worse, they've looked like cheap rubbish - the exact sorts of products that I would studiously avoid when buying gifts for nephews because of the low quality.Now, that said, I'm certainly aware that price sensitivity is an issue. So I'm certainly not blind to your argument!There's no douobt, the Pathfinder box is excellent. Unless WotC are sure they have a better idea, they should just take that apart, replace the PF mechanics with D&D ones, and put out a clone.Pretty much the only weakness I can see with it is that "pay for preview" problem, which is a pretty minor one, for the reasons you give. And the only way I can see to avoid that is to include the full Core Rulebook in the box, inevitably inflating the price significantly.</blockquote>

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