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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 3174505" data-attributes="member: 141"><p>I'm reposting this from the main thread. It is concerned with pricing items, so I think I'll put it here:</p><p></p><p>****</p><p></p><p>In <a href="https://www.enworld.org/index.php?threads/179806/" target="_blank">Pricing robe of the archmagi</a> I complain about the discrepancy between the DMG price and price when you work things out. The robe should be 130,500 (91350 after the alignment discount), but is only 75,000. I'm thinking that alignment restrictions are not appropriate for PC created (or improved) items; they don't reduce the utility of the item in any way. They are better for equipping villains with.</p><p></p><p>I'm thinking that as a general rule, non-standard items should be priced according to Skip's formula, without faux restrictions, and then a fixed, ad hoc discount applied to reconcile things with the DMG.</p><p></p><p>For a robe of the archmagi the ad hoc discount would be 55,500 gp; the difference between the formula price and the book price. If a player wished to improve the item to give a +8 armor bonus, SR 32, +5 resistance bonus on saves and +4 spell penetration, they'd calculate the cost as follows:</p><p></p><p>SR 32 is 200,000</p><p>+8 armor bonus is 64,000 x 1.5 is 96,000</p><p>+5 resistance bonus is 25,000 x 1.5 is 37,500</p><p>+4 bonus vs SR is at least 24,000 x 1.5 is 36,000</p><p>(I'm guessing bonus squared x 1500)</p><p></p><p>Total: 369,500 - 55,500 = 314,000</p><p></p><p>The augmented robe would still retain its alignment restriction, but wouldn't get the full 30% discount for being restricted to a particular alignment. And it has to pay the surcharge- or most of it, the ad hoc discount applies. If we followed the weird pricing scheme that the <em>robe of the archmagi</em> followed (no surcharge, 30% discount) it would cost only 219,100 gp.</p><p></p><p>I think this is a good way of remaining faithful both to the section on pricing magic items and to the description of the robe.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and SR 32 is probably the highest we should follow the (SR - 12 ) x 10,000 formula. Above that we should do something different. Although I still disagree with you on the use of a cubic formula. It should be quadratic.</p><p></p><p>***</p><p></p><p>Oh, and in case we need a link to Greybar's <a href="https://www.enworld.org/index.php?threads/3162921/" target="_blank">Intrinsic Gear</a> thread, here it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 3174505, member: 141"] I'm reposting this from the main thread. It is concerned with pricing items, so I think I'll put it here: **** In [URL="https://www.enworld.org/index.php?threads/179806/"]Pricing robe of the archmagi[/URL] I complain about the discrepancy between the DMG price and price when you work things out. The robe should be 130,500 (91350 after the alignment discount), but is only 75,000. I'm thinking that alignment restrictions are not appropriate for PC created (or improved) items; they don't reduce the utility of the item in any way. They are better for equipping villains with. I'm thinking that as a general rule, non-standard items should be priced according to Skip's formula, without faux restrictions, and then a fixed, ad hoc discount applied to reconcile things with the DMG. For a robe of the archmagi the ad hoc discount would be 55,500 gp; the difference between the formula price and the book price. If a player wished to improve the item to give a +8 armor bonus, SR 32, +5 resistance bonus on saves and +4 spell penetration, they'd calculate the cost as follows: SR 32 is 200,000 +8 armor bonus is 64,000 x 1.5 is 96,000 +5 resistance bonus is 25,000 x 1.5 is 37,500 +4 bonus vs SR is at least 24,000 x 1.5 is 36,000 (I'm guessing bonus squared x 1500) Total: 369,500 - 55,500 = 314,000 The augmented robe would still retain its alignment restriction, but wouldn't get the full 30% discount for being restricted to a particular alignment. And it has to pay the surcharge- or most of it, the ad hoc discount applies. If we followed the weird pricing scheme that the [i]robe of the archmagi[/i] followed (no surcharge, 30% discount) it would cost only 219,100 gp. I think this is a good way of remaining faithful both to the section on pricing magic items and to the description of the robe. Oh, and SR 32 is probably the highest we should follow the (SR - 12 ) x 10,000 formula. Above that we should do something different. Although I still disagree with you on the use of a cubic formula. It should be quadratic. *** Oh, and in case we need a link to Greybar's [URL="https://www.enworld.org/index.php?threads/3162921/"]Intrinsic Gear[/URL] thread, here it is. [/QUOTE]
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