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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 4841053" data-attributes="member: 177">You state that as if pro-4e and anti-3e are the same, or go hand in hand.&nbsp; Wipe that idea from your head, because you cannot be farther from the truth.&nbsp; It is, in fact, quite possible to be pro-4e/pro-3e.&nbsp; There's any number of folks on these boards who like both games for what they do well.I will repeat what others have said before me in this thread:&nbsp; the pro-X people on either side are generally not a problem.&nbsp; Folks could talk about what makes their favorite edition cool until they are blue in the face, and we'd have few problems.&nbsp; It is when anti-X shows up that there's a problem.&nbsp; It is not possible to be anti-something and not be negative.&nbsp; It is very, very easy to be anti-something and speak negatively about the people who like the something.&nbsp; And that's where the trouble starts.And, as a simple matter of logic, the people who prefer 3e had more negative feelings, and thus had a stronger tendency to be anti-something. So, jerky behavior had a tendency to be correlated with edition preference.&nbsp; This produces what is sometimes called a &quot;confounding bias&quot; - action against jerks happens to hit those who prefer 3e somewhat more, even when moderators didn't consider what edition the speaker is talking about.&nbsp; So, to the outside, it can look like we have an edition bias, when we don't. Somehow, back before 4e was released, we were able to discuss 3e without having go beat on another edition to do it.&nbsp; Return to that, and you should find your 3e discussion remarkably unmoderated, and in fact protected by the mods, most of whom still like 3e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 4841053, member: 177"] You state that as if pro-4e and anti-3e are the same, or go hand in hand. Wipe that idea from your head, because you cannot be farther from the truth. It is, in fact, quite possible to be pro-4e/pro-3e. There's any number of folks on these boards who like both games for what they do well. I will repeat what others have said before me in this thread: the pro-X people on either side are generally not a problem. Folks could talk about what makes their favorite edition cool until they are blue in the face, and we'd have few problems. It is when anti-X shows up that there's a problem. It is not possible to be anti-something and not be negative. It is very, very easy to be anti-something and speak negatively about the people who like the something. And that's where the trouble starts. And, as a simple matter of logic, the people who prefer 3e had more negative feelings, and thus had a stronger tendency to be anti-something. So, jerky behavior had a tendency to be correlated with edition preference. This produces what is sometimes called a "confounding bias" - action against jerks happens to hit those who prefer 3e somewhat more, even when moderators didn't consider what edition the speaker is talking about. So, to the outside, it can [i]look like[/i] we have an edition bias, when we don't. Somehow, back before 4e was released, we were able to discuss 3e without having go beat on another edition to do it. Return to that, and you should find your 3e discussion remarkably unmoderated, and in fact protected by the mods, most of whom still like 3e. [/QUOTE]

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