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<blockquote data-quote="beefcake_wizard" data-source="post: 6367732" data-attributes="member: 6779089"><p>No feat tax. Withdrawing or stowing a weapon is a 'free' action. But with the feat it's not needed, but you gain the ability to cast as opportunity attack and advantage to concentration. Casting isn't necessary to make an eldritch actually super good at combat, but it offers him the versatility and flavor of caster without the penalty many of the gish classes take to DPR.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not seeing the pervasiveness of scrolls in this as may have been in other editions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Warlocks get 8 invocations. Not sure the 'expense' of 1 or 2 invocations is necessarily a drag for someone who wants it. The solution you present, spend another invocation on Eldritch, so that you don't have to spend one on blade doesn't make the advantage any clearer. What if there are two enemies? or three within 5'? What about cover? More over, the real numerical advantage of Eldritch blast in close combat (within 5') becomes significant at level 17, and only then. Why not just swap out your blade pact invocations for other ones then? </p><p></p><p>More to the point, the OP is asking for good gish options, not 'show me a gish option where mixed melee and casting is the absolute most optimal way to play'. A blade pact warlock that takes a couple point DPR reduction at mid-levels so that he can do both isn't 'wasting his time.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, if they have cover, say shooting through an open window.... You run up, and stab him through the open window. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, lore may be a better option (and I'm not sure that it is), but in the same way a free Dinner with desert may be better then a free dinner, but in this case the OP isn't looking for desert. He looking for gish style class, and Valor is better at that. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I disagree. Ranger get some amazing spells, (some seemingly balanced for ranger's level not druids). Lightning arrow, Spike Growth, and Conjure animals to name a few.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Monks, like many of the classes have subtle combinations built into the full range of their abilities that combine really effectively. An ongoing Gust of Wind, combined with a guy that that can essentially move 80' a round and still take an action is pretty good. Add in the mobility feat and a monk can continuously attack and runaway, with few things being able to get to him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="beefcake_wizard, post: 6367732, member: 6779089"] No feat tax. Withdrawing or stowing a weapon is a 'free' action. But with the feat it's not needed, but you gain the ability to cast as opportunity attack and advantage to concentration. Casting isn't necessary to make an eldritch actually super good at combat, but it offers him the versatility and flavor of caster without the penalty many of the gish classes take to DPR. Not seeing the pervasiveness of scrolls in this as may have been in other editions. Warlocks get 8 invocations. Not sure the 'expense' of 1 or 2 invocations is necessarily a drag for someone who wants it. The solution you present, spend another invocation on Eldritch, so that you don't have to spend one on blade doesn't make the advantage any clearer. What if there are two enemies? or three within 5'? What about cover? More over, the real numerical advantage of Eldritch blast in close combat (within 5') becomes significant at level 17, and only then. Why not just swap out your blade pact invocations for other ones then? More to the point, the OP is asking for good gish options, not 'show me a gish option where mixed melee and casting is the absolute most optimal way to play'. A blade pact warlock that takes a couple point DPR reduction at mid-levels so that he can do both isn't 'wasting his time. Well, if they have cover, say shooting through an open window.... You run up, and stab him through the open window. Again, lore may be a better option (and I'm not sure that it is), but in the same way a free Dinner with desert may be better then a free dinner, but in this case the OP isn't looking for desert. He looking for gish style class, and Valor is better at that. I disagree. Ranger get some amazing spells, (some seemingly balanced for ranger's level not druids). Lightning arrow, Spike Growth, and Conjure animals to name a few. Monks, like many of the classes have subtle combinations built into the full range of their abilities that combine really effectively. An ongoing Gust of Wind, combined with a guy that that can essentially move 80' a round and still take an action is pretty good. Add in the mobility feat and a monk can continuously attack and runaway, with few things being able to get to him. [/QUOTE]
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