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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7612899" data-attributes="member: 996">For every stupid thing, there's someone who liked it back in the day.&nbsp; I'm about the only one who liked that one.&nbsp; I think may I have a compatriot around here somewhere.&nbsp; &nbsp;These weren't all bad, either.&nbsp;Heh.&nbsp; 3e did take casters off the hook when it came to Save DCs, that's for sure, if most dramatically for top-level spells, since DCs scaled with slot level instead of caster level.&nbsp; OTOH, in 1e, scaling - damage, range, duration, &amp;c - of low-level spells by caster level was without limit; in 3e damage, at least, it ran up against caps based on spell level.&nbsp; In 5e, damage &amp;c tends to scale with slot level - but save DCs scale with /character/ level ('Proficiency'), while 2/3rds of PC saves don't scale, at all. So there's really LFQW going all through there, 1e/2e AD&amp;D, 0D&amp;D, 3e, or 5e, the exact formulae are a little different, but the fighter's is linear and the casters' as &quot;quadratic&quot; in one as another.A linear magic-user, who's spell (he'd only know one) scaled damage (like fireball does) for instance, as in 1e (d6/level, no limit), would have a spell progression that looked like this:[code]level&nbsp; Spells/day1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 17&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1…[/code]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7612899, member: 996"] For every stupid thing, there's someone who liked it back in the day. I'm about the only one who liked that one. I think may I have a compatriot around here somewhere. These weren't all bad, either. Heh. 3e did take casters off the hook when it came to Save DCs, that's for sure, if most dramatically for top-level spells, since DCs scaled with slot level instead of caster level. OTOH, in 1e, scaling - damage, range, duration, &c - of low-level spells by caster level was without limit; in 3e damage, at least, it ran up against caps based on spell level. In 5e, damage &c tends to scale with slot level - but save DCs scale with /character/ level ('Proficiency'), while 2/3rds of PC saves don't scale, at all. So there's really LFQW going all through there, 1e/2e AD&D, 0D&D, 3e, or 5e, the exact formulae are a little different, but the fighter's is linear and the casters' as "quadratic" in one as another. A linear magic-user, who's spell (he'd only know one) scaled damage (like fireball does) for instance, as in 1e (d6/level, no limit), would have a spell progression that looked like this: [code] level Spells/day 1 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 1 6 1 7 1 …[/code] [/QUOTE]

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