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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5317544" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, the same impulses existed, but pre-3.x it mostly took different forms than it does now. The OP's comments certainly make sense to me. The game was pretty simple and there really wasn't anything to 'master'. 2e had a FEW more options than 1e did, but not many. You could certainly be a rules lawyer, and you could try to be a munchkin, but how far you got in either direction was pretty much up to the DM. Sure, you could have groups with 93rd level PCs that just made wishes all day but that was so far from how the system was written to work that it really has little to do with D&amp;D.No, it was definitely 3e where the game really gave full scope to the rules lawyers etc. Very different from the earlier days of the game. 4e in that respect is thoroughly a modern version of the game. I think it is worth pointing out that 4e is better in this regard than 3.x was. Anyway, I think the OP will enjoy some good gaming with 4e. Give everything a try. I agree with the observation about monsters. Personally I've been opening up the range of designs I use monster-wise a lot and while I think assigning monsters to levels is a good idea there's not a lot of reason to compare them in a competitive fashion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5317544, member: 82106"] Well, the same impulses existed, but pre-3.x it mostly took different forms than it does now. The OP's comments certainly make sense to me. The game was pretty simple and there really wasn't anything to 'master'. 2e had a FEW more options than 1e did, but not many. You could certainly be a rules lawyer, and you could try to be a munchkin, but how far you got in either direction was pretty much up to the DM. Sure, you could have groups with 93rd level PCs that just made wishes all day but that was so far from how the system was written to work that it really has little to do with D&D. No, it was definitely 3e where the game really gave full scope to the rules lawyers etc. Very different from the earlier days of the game. 4e in that respect is thoroughly a modern version of the game. I think it is worth pointing out that 4e is better in this regard than 3.x was. Anyway, I think the OP will enjoy some good gaming with 4e. Give everything a try. I agree with the observation about monsters. Personally I've been opening up the range of designs I use monster-wise a lot and while I think assigning monsters to levels is a good idea there's not a lot of reason to compare them in a competitive fashion. [/QUOTE]

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