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<blockquote data-quote="Dannager" data-source="post: 5708467" data-attributes="member: 73683"><p>I was sort of hoping that I wouldn't have to explain myself to you (because that's actually kind of silly). I spent half the thread wondering when someone would come along with the brilliant idea of saying, "Oh yeah? If you think it's so bad why don't you do it yourself?"</p><p></p><p>My many reasons come mainly from two directions.</p><p></p><p>The first, grounded in logistics. I've played Heroes of Neverwinter. I've probably spent five hours on it. But that's not enough to write a solid review. In order to do the game justice and actually experience its full range of features, I'd have to get a character to level 10, start screwing around with the dungeon builder, and have some of my friends run through my dungeons (which requires that <em>they</em> level their own characters, which they'd have to do anyway because leveling by yourself takes a ton of gold). Because of the energy-replenishment backbone of the game, this would take quite a long time. Even if I'd started leveling my character when Neuroglyph first published his review, I still wouldn't be done right now. There's a reason Neuroglyph didn't mention the dungeon builder - he didn't play long enough to gain access to it. And then, once all of this was done, I'd have to actually write the review. Which brings me to the second set of reasons.</p><p></p><p>Neuroglyph is the official D&D product reviewer for EN World. I could write a review, but I'm not a professional reviewer. I don't have a lot of review experience. I didn't get my degree in journalism, English, or communications. I'm sure I could write a review, but that would do nothing more than lump me in with the hordes of amateur-hour user reviewers that I see as a sort of pimple on the internet. It would be nice if EN World had some truly <em>good</em> review staff. Most forms of entertainment have people that are looked to when they need to know whether or not something is worth investing in. It's a shame that tabletop RPGs really haven't. Some of us were hoping that this criticism might be an eye-opener for Neuroglyph and compel him to return to his original review and revise it (or, if not, at least change his review style going forward). This doesn't mean that I want to write reviews myself, or that I should have to in order to have a voice here. I <em>have</em> offered suggestions for how parts of the review could be worded in order to highlight the differences between 4e and HoN. But I'm not here to write reviews.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He has.</p><p></p><p>If I write a review of Dungeons & Dragons, and I say at the start of the review, "Just so you know, I hate tabletop RPGs and everything they stand for because they suck," and proceed to give D&D a 0/10, presumably you'd have <em>no problem</em> with the usefulness of that review. You know. As long as he was up-front about it.</p><p></p><p>In reality, of course, such a review would be laughable. It's completely useless unless you happen to also hate tabletop RPGs with a passion, in which case you probably don't <em>care</em> about a review of D&D in the first place because you'd have no interest in playing it. But if you're like <em>most people</em> who either enjoy tabletop gaming or have no strong opinions on it one way or another, such a review does <em>nothing</em> for you. And that's what we're saying here. Most of us really don't <em>care</em> that a <em>Facebook game</em> designed for casual play takes some (actually quite minor) liberties with the 4e rules in order to fit the format. We want to know <em>if it's a good game</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ahh, now you do have that right. But it would be nice if I <em>didn't</em> have to start using another website to find news and reviews of D&D-related stuff. I thought EN World was supposed to be a sort of one-stop-shop for D&D fans.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, presumably you would give Dungeons & Dragons: Shadow over Mystara an equally abysmal review score. And since I know that's a fantastic game (as do most video game critics who've experienced it), it's tough for me to take what you say on the subject of game reviewing very seriously.</p><p></p><p>(Also, this says nothing of those who are defending Neuroglyph's review in this thread who would undoubtedly internet-lynch you for writing a negative review of Shadows over Mystara - I'm sure there are a few. People don't have consistent philosophies on stuff like this. I doubt many are supporting Neuroglyph on principles; most of them probably just don't like Facebook games, or HoN in particular.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannager, post: 5708467, member: 73683"] I was sort of hoping that I wouldn't have to explain myself to you (because that's actually kind of silly). I spent half the thread wondering when someone would come along with the brilliant idea of saying, "Oh yeah? If you think it's so bad why don't you do it yourself?" My many reasons come mainly from two directions. The first, grounded in logistics. I've played Heroes of Neverwinter. I've probably spent five hours on it. But that's not enough to write a solid review. In order to do the game justice and actually experience its full range of features, I'd have to get a character to level 10, start screwing around with the dungeon builder, and have some of my friends run through my dungeons (which requires that [I]they[/I] level their own characters, which they'd have to do anyway because leveling by yourself takes a ton of gold). Because of the energy-replenishment backbone of the game, this would take quite a long time. Even if I'd started leveling my character when Neuroglyph first published his review, I still wouldn't be done right now. There's a reason Neuroglyph didn't mention the dungeon builder - he didn't play long enough to gain access to it. And then, once all of this was done, I'd have to actually write the review. Which brings me to the second set of reasons. Neuroglyph is the official D&D product reviewer for EN World. I could write a review, but I'm not a professional reviewer. I don't have a lot of review experience. I didn't get my degree in journalism, English, or communications. I'm sure I could write a review, but that would do nothing more than lump me in with the hordes of amateur-hour user reviewers that I see as a sort of pimple on the internet. It would be nice if EN World had some truly [I]good[/I] review staff. Most forms of entertainment have people that are looked to when they need to know whether or not something is worth investing in. It's a shame that tabletop RPGs really haven't. Some of us were hoping that this criticism might be an eye-opener for Neuroglyph and compel him to return to his original review and revise it (or, if not, at least change his review style going forward). This doesn't mean that I want to write reviews myself, or that I should have to in order to have a voice here. I [I]have[/I] offered suggestions for how parts of the review could be worded in order to highlight the differences between 4e and HoN. But I'm not here to write reviews. He has. If I write a review of Dungeons & Dragons, and I say at the start of the review, "Just so you know, I hate tabletop RPGs and everything they stand for because they suck," and proceed to give D&D a 0/10, presumably you'd have [I]no problem[/I] with the usefulness of that review. You know. As long as he was up-front about it. In reality, of course, such a review would be laughable. It's completely useless unless you happen to also hate tabletop RPGs with a passion, in which case you probably don't [I]care[/I] about a review of D&D in the first place because you'd have no interest in playing it. But if you're like [I]most people[/I] who either enjoy tabletop gaming or have no strong opinions on it one way or another, such a review does [I]nothing[/I] for you. And that's what we're saying here. Most of us really don't [I]care[/I] that a [I]Facebook game[/I] designed for casual play takes some (actually quite minor) liberties with the 4e rules in order to fit the format. We want to know [I]if it's a good game[/I]. Ahh, now you do have that right. But it would be nice if I [I]didn't[/I] have to start using another website to find news and reviews of D&D-related stuff. I thought EN World was supposed to be a sort of one-stop-shop for D&D fans. Again, presumably you would give Dungeons & Dragons: Shadow over Mystara an equally abysmal review score. And since I know that's a fantastic game (as do most video game critics who've experienced it), it's tough for me to take what you say on the subject of game reviewing very seriously. (Also, this says nothing of those who are defending Neuroglyph's review in this thread who would undoubtedly internet-lynch you for writing a negative review of Shadows over Mystara - I'm sure there are a few. People don't have consistent philosophies on stuff like this. I doubt many are supporting Neuroglyph on principles; most of them probably just don't like Facebook games, or HoN in particular.) [/QUOTE]
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